Is Donald Trump Pulling A Nigerian 419 Scam?

Donald Trump

I’m sort of breaking my promise here. No news. Why no news? Because the news you read is almost always by uninformed reporters and is totally irrelevant in 99.999% of the cases.

Example: Greece has not paid a single debt since Rome took over in 146 BC. And yet, everyone keeps asking me about Greece.

News flash: They will borrow more money, and AGAIN they will not pay their debts. Nor should they.

Greece is a subsidized beach resort, healthy food, etc but they aren’t a real country – (sorry in advance to anyone offended by this) and then in three years, for less than the cash Google has in the bank, the entire world will figure out another way to bail them out.

That’s all you ever need to know about Greece. By the way, when I was living in Astoria, New York (all Greeks) I learned the rules to the three ways they play backgammon there.

We would play all night in the local Greek-owned pool hall. I did this for 18 months. This has now made me an expert on Greek culture and news. It was probably the best 18 months of my life. The one and only time I had no worries, nothing to do. Just play.


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But…Donald Trump. This news story fascinates me.

I was just in a coffee shop. John McCain was giving his “FIRST RESPONSE EVER” to Donald Trump’s remarks on the TV above the cashier.

About a dozen people were crowded in to listen. What would he say? Would he trash Trump? Would he take the high road?

Entertainment!

Because the human mind is prepared to have up to 150 friends (the so-called “Dunbar Number”) and most of us are not at 150, so we replace them with who we see on TV or in magazines. John McCain.

Or, for the guy sitting next to me at this moment: Kim Kardashian is his VERY close friend.

My Dunbar friend at the moment, based on the book I am reading: Bill Murray. I hope one day I meet him and he likes me.

But back to Donald Trump.

My wife Claudia has explained to me the news because I asked her why she was so upset the other day.

She told me he said two things that are super-idiotic. I don’t even think Trump truly believes what he says. Which I’ll explain why in a minute.

A) He said, “Mexicans and other South Americans [meaning: Claudia] are sending their murderers and rapists here to the US.”

Which has been non-stop laughs for me ever since. When I wake up in the morning I get to shake Claudia awake and say, “Hey, what’s a dirty rapist like you doing in my bed?”

B) He said John McCain is not a war hero because the “real heroes came home”.

Or something like that. There is zero chance I’m going to read exactly what he said so Claudia could be totally lying (which is possible, being a criminal, murdering rapist).

Ok: so first things: clearly the above two statements are moronic.

It’s like saying “Bill Cosby is a Mexican”. Or it’s like saying one of the bravest guys ever (whether you believe in his politics or not, which I don’t) is not a hero.

But I think something very insidious is going on and not a single person has noticed this.

Donald Trump is being an idiot on purpose.

Now, he might actually be an idiot. This is possible. BUT IF he weren’t, then he knows exactly what he is doing. A true game player MUST look at all sides of a story.

Note that after he said these statements his percentage in the Presidential race went from 0% to 12%.

By the way, it’s NEVER going to go higher than 30%. But he knows that.

He also knows he has a low chance of winning the Republican nomination for a billion reasons.

So he did a classic marketing strategy. He did the Nigerian 419 scam.

The Nigerian 419 strategy is to have a misspelled email from the son of some deceased Prince who needs all your bank info in order to release $20 million that he will eagerly split with you.

Then he steals all of your money.

Why is the email misspelled? After decades of Nigerians sending the exact same email, why is it always mis-spelled? And, by the way, the OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF NIGERIA IS ENGLISH.

Is Donald Trump Pulling a Nigerian 419 Scam

There’s a simple reason. Anybody in the top 90% of rational people know that a misspelled email coming from a Nigerian prince is a scam.

The Nigerians don’t want to deal with those 90%. Even if you sent a perfectly spelled letter with a much more realistic story, those 90% will figure it out. Then the scammer will have wasted his time. He doesn’t want to waste time.

He needs to find the 10% that will respond to him really quickly. (Btw, I’m assuming “he” but can also be a “she”). And the 10% that will work.

Does it work? Of course it does. 419-ers made $13 billion last year. And every year.

This is what Donald Trump is doing. And I’m not kidding. I really think he is doing this.


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He is saying the most stupid, most outrageous things because he’s immediately filtering out the 90% that will never like him anyway.

The 12% that are left have managed to jump over AMAZING hurdles to keep liking him. Who could possibly like him after this?

There are clearly ZERO other candidates for these 12%. Trump represents exactly what they are thinking and he used the fastest approach possible to identify those 12%.

Because of the Idiot 12% – In the first weeks of February, Trump will come in a respectable, 2nd or 3rd in Iowa, New Hampshire, and definitely South Carolina (which after 150 years finally admitted they belong in the United States and slavery is bad).

Then he will drop out of the race and form a third party. Once he forms a third party, he will be able to raise a ton of money, appease his ego, scam people for the next decade, and enter the next stage of his insane career.

Not to mention drain votes from Republicans, giving himself a target to attack for the next eight years (Hilary Clinton) by effectively deciding the Presidential race.

Which is his goal from the beginning.

Most people do the right thing and ignore the Nigerian 419 scam.

The best strategy, which nobody will take (including me by writing this), is to just ignore him.

But we won’t. We irrationally need a Donald Trump. Because evolution tells us we need people to gossip about.

  • Kevin

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  • Jim Catalano

    Brilliant!

  • splendorofmorgan

    I heard a comedian soothe himself by assuming Donald Trump decided to dedicate his life to perfomance art. This theory also soothes me.

  • Captain Mike Rides

    Love you James but you missed on this one. First, I’m not a big Trump fan. I won’t vote for him in the primaries. But, he is resonating with the voters because he is not playing the standard Washington game by the rules and it’s driving the establishment crazy. You said: “By the way, it’s NEVER going to go higher than 12%. But he knows that.” (Emphasis yours). He’s now at 24% in national polls. So, that was an error on your part.

    Second, any commonsense reading of what he said about illegals would show that he did not say that ALL illegals are rapists and murderers. He did not say anything of the sort. What he said was the Mexico was sending its rapists and murderers over here. In other words, Mexico is intentionally sending over violent criminals. Now, I’ve read information to indicate that the Mexican govt. is actually doing that. Similar to what Cuba did with the boat lift years ago. Cuba cleaned out it’s prisons and sent the criminals to America. Similar thing here. That’s all that Trump was saying. Implying that he said that “all immigrants from Mexico and South America are murderers and rapists” is the height of PC wordsmithing to smear Trump.

    You’re better than that James. Don’t fall into the trap of accepting what the Capital (establishment media and govt.) wants to portray. Analyze it for yourself fairly.

    • Gab

      Lol, hi 12% :-) btw, 12% of the general population roughly equals 24% of republicans.

      And no, Mexico does not “send” anyone anywhere. I have not raped anyone… yet :-)

      • Red_Stater

        If you came here legally, no one, including those “evil” conservatives, has a problem with you being here.

    • carlhancock

      No, James is exactly right.

      There a reason why some of what Trump says can resonate as you mentioned. But it doesn’t mean he has a viable chance of winning the nomination.

      Trump resonates on a lot of things with a lot of people because he is simply telling a lot of people exactly what they want to hear but he has absolutely zero chance of delivering.

      He is pandering to a very specific group of people. The extreme right wing who are just dumb enough to believe he could win the nomination.

      But the problem is his pandering doesn’t work on the rest of the Republicans and those in the center. Even if they agree with some of his comments. Because they are smart enough to know he’s full of shit and just pandering and lookin to draw attention.

      Trump knows he won’t win the nomination. He’s a circus side show that has gone on longer than previous side shows he has put on and it’s become a distraction for the GOP.

      James take is spot on.

      • Captain Mike Rides

        I’m really not sure why you responded to me. My comments were directly very specifically to what James said about Trump’s comments, wherein he attributed Trump as saying that all Mexican immigrants are murderers and rapists. James, like others, is clearly wrong in that attribution. Your “reply” goes to the larger issue of whether Trump is a viable candidate, which I did not address.

        I’m not sure who comprises the “extreme right wing”, but it is not that group who are Trump supporters. Trump is pulling support across a broad swath of voters.

        • Ack Ack Ack

          “I’m not sure who comprises the “extreme right wing”, but it is not that group who are Trump supporters. Trump is pulling support across a broad swath of voters.”

          Care to rethink this smelly turd?

    • http://jamesaltucher.com James Altucher

      You could be right about exactly what Trump said, but as I said, “there is zero chance I’m going to read exactly what he said so Claudia could be totally lying” :)

      • Captain Mike Rides

        Nah, lying is too harsh. She is likely simply repeating the mantra that the mainstream press put out during that time, and it is always agenda driven. BTW, I’m a huge fan – reading my second book of yours, reading your blog and listening to podcasts. You’re opening up a whole new way of thinking for me and my wife. Thanks!

        • Reading is FUNdaMENTAL

          James stated the Presidential race percentage.

          You responded with a poll on the Republican Primary.

          “So, that was an error on your part.”

          Or yours.

          • trentonrerker

            Thank you for pointing out the difference

    • HydroCabron

      You say that Trump is “resonating with the voters because he is not playing the standard Washington game by the rules”, but he is very much playing by the rules: he is using dog-whistle politics to pick on traditional scapegoats, and making controversial statements to grab attention.

      Trump is reading straight from the rules.

      You know what would not be playing by the rules? Something like:

      “The financial industry, together with huge government contractors, are the biggest welfare queens in history. They own the government, they own the media conducting this very interview and they own me, Donald Trump. Immigrants and public employee unions have nothing on these evil oligarchs. If elected, I will reinstate Roosevelt-era financial regulations, end the government backstopping of financial speculators, and make sure than no institution is too big to fail, even if it destroys the fortune I built by gaming these very institutions.”

      That would be “not playing by the rules.”

      Hating immigrants is still playing be the rules.

      • Captain Mike Rides

        I think you are confusing your politics with the rules for how Washington operates. In the first place, you seem to equate legal immigration with illegal immigration. Trump was only referencing illegal immigration. Further equating “hating immigrants” with wanting a secure border and legal only immigration is debased rhetoric which has no place in a serious discussion.

        Secondly, almost every republican candidate, along with the mainstream media, along with Hispanic groups, along with Democrats loudly condemned Trump’s comments and Trump himself. Typically, that would result in an extremely humble apology by the candidate, self flagellation for several more days, and then a quiet exit into oblivion. That didn’t happen. To the contrary, Trump attacked the attackers, told Univision they were hypocrites and could no longer use his golf course, told the PGA that it was their loss, etc. If you think that is playing by standard Washington rules, you are a political novice.

        • Steve Jernigan

          Cpt Mike I think one word will “kinda” sum up” HydroCarbon’s point…”Optics”. To his supporters yeah it seems like a different game not the Washington game, but to his nay sayers it seems hateful and divisive. The truth will set us free in which none of the canidates are telling except Sanders and Paul, unfortunately good news is boring and uneventful. In my opinion Sanders is the outsider on the inside. You are very correct about Trumps actual statements, but sensationalism rules. We got sensationalism on both sides from the very beginning of his statements about Mexicans. Which I think was a toe tap in the water. On the other hand, Trumps opposers took the bait.

          • ronniebray

            What were trump critics supposed to do with his inflammatory and insulting statements? Give him a ‘Heil Hitler’?

          • desertpatriot

            @donkeybray:
            give him support

          • http://batman-news.com Joe from Cebu

            Sanders? Sanders lives in lala land. Outsider on the inside? He’s been in office for what, 24 years? He’s outside of reality attempting to look in- that’s it. His job is to make Hillary look normal, which she’s not-obviously. Unless spawn of Satan is normal. Trump did a good job taping into most Americans’ frustration. What he said, needed and still needs saying. I don’t think he has the temperament to be president, but I’m glad he raised awareness. I prefer Cruz, and if Trump implodes (explodes?) many of his supporters will go to Cruz.

          • xnerd

            And for 24 years he has maintained his outsider status by refusing to be on the take.
            He is one of the very few public servants lef5 in Washington.

            Lala land my ass.
            You are parroting the banksters talking points.

            I strange companies hate him.
            Wall Street billionares are horrified of him,
            Pharma I’d shaking in their boots

            This is reason al9ne to vote for him. That should be obvious

          • Ernest Allen

            Trump is a Wall Street MILLIONAIRE. Next Trump brown shirt.

          • Kevin McGrath

            He’s not wall street. Are you old enough to vote? You sound like a juvenile.

          • Ernest Allen

            Millionaire real estate mogul based in New York City who with an office in Wall Street. You must have been a lawyer on OJ’s team.

          • tedmacho

            His office is in midtown

          • William Skrainski

            Billionaire, dipshit….get it right!

          • Ernest Allen

            My bad. Correction: “Billionaire douche bag bailed out by Chapter 11 bankruptcy four times and beloved by cross-burning Neanderthals with an average IQ of 73.”

            You’re welcome.

          • Ernest Allen

            PS. Plenty old enough junior. Of course only a whack job Trump supporter believes that a persons age corresponds to likely hood of voting for this clown. However, I would wager that income and education do correspond to a high probability of being a Trump supporter, who are more likely to have lower incomes and lower education levels. You are the Walmart crowd.

          • Kevin McGrath

            Not much to you Ernie. Ranting, insulting me multiple times. Get a life.

          • Ernest Allen

            You support a douche bag fascist like Trump. You insult yourself…and the rest of democratic America.

          • Joseph Ahner

            Guess what Nazi actually stood for? National Socialism which sounds a lot like Bernie’s Democratic Socialism which IS Marxist-Leninism which caused laughable shortages of every kind in nations like the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics, the Peoples Republic of China. Also lets not forget the Marxist-Leninist run Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea which is currently suffering from famine because Marxist Socialism no matter how Democratic it is doesn’t work.

          • Ernest Allen

            Nazism is fascism. Hitler left the means of production in the hands of private industry. Labor rights suppressed. Not even close. Educate yourself.
            http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

            What Sanders is peddling is democratic socialism of the variety that reigns in many European countries especially the northern ones. You know, the countries whose well-developed economies actually provide for their citizens. No police states or gulags there. Try again Donald.

          • MadTom

            Pity he’s so right about you and your kind.

          • Kevin McGrath

            Go to bed. You’re drunk.

          • Christian Gonzales

            Thanks guy. I’m a student who’s going to school to become a psychiatrist, but I guess I’m just some filthy pleb. Seriously though how about actually doing something with your life instead of envying the rich online? You know by voting for Bernie and supporting his socialists views its just going to ruin the economy right? Its Economics 101. You can’t raise the minimum wage to $15, tax the rich ridiculous amounts, apply a high carbon tax, and let an already corrupt government get bigger and more entangled into the economy without disaster. Sure some big corporations, businesses, and entrepreneurs take advantage of the system and/or try to avoid taxes, but the government is the problem because they use LAWS passed by the government and we already have the highest corporate taxes in the world. There’s a reason more and more companies are outsourcing, especially in this day and age were its so easy to do. I could go on and talk about the negative psychological aspects of Bernie’s plan like people not wanting to become Doctors, Lawyers, engineers, etc. because big taxes on those jobs would kill incentive. But I won’t. Instead I’ll end by saying you should take an economics class or two and apply common sense so you’ll understand by using Bernie’s plans we’ll end up like Greece.

          • DavidH

            Maybe you should revisit your Economics 101 lessons and refer to the state of Minnesota where Governor Dayton raised taxes on the rich, increased the minimum wage and now has a state with one of the best economies in the US. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-gibson/mark-dayton-minnesota-economy_b_6737786.html

          • Joseph Ahner

            Likelihood is expressed in the English Language as a compound word not two separate ones and whack-job is expressed hyphenated. Also you are a wannabe Aristocrat pseudo-intelectual who looks down on people who make less money than you. Elitist scumbag.

          • Ernest Allen

            Typing without glasses. Sue me. Me? I’m a middle class guy with a college education who thinks that shoving the “darkies” into the oven is a bad idea. Feel free to continue planning your next church shooting.

          • DavidH

            What language was your comment written in?

          • Ernest Allen

            Trump did a good job tapping into the 6 percent of the electorate who still look wistfully at public lynchings and think that camps for “those who don’t look like us” will be “great”. He’s a dangerous man with dangerous ideas.

          • JC Harris

            Agree. I don’t buy into this thought process that Trump is “saying what we all think”. That’s BS. The majority of the country are not bigots, or racists, or immigrants haters. The majority doesn’t care who you marry, and do not want government telling women what they can do with their own bodies. The inability of the GOP to recognize that is why they’ll keep losing national elections (but win locals). They have no clue as to what the country is thinking.

          • wynnosu

            And if we keep electing democrats because they tell the people what they want to hear and give everyone what they want without earning it, we will continue down the path of destruction that Obama is so clueless about. Nearly $20 trillion in debt and the dems don’t care and want even MORE debt. This is what happens when you hire a community organizer to actually run something… a complete disaster.

          • JC Harris

            That debt is actually LESS than it was when he took office, but as with most conservatives, you fail to recognize that right? Sheep.

          • wynnosu

            And like most liberals you have no gray matter between your ears. That is obvious or you wouldn’t have voted for Obama in the first place.

            Less debt? Did you read that on MoveOn.org or some other leftwing propaganda site? The national debt, when the community organizer took office, was around $10 trillion. Today it is just under $19 trillion. Let me guess… you weren’t a math major in college. Did you even attend college??

            Lapdog.

          • JC Harris

            I voted for Romney assclown. Don’t assume things. I just know to not listen to political crap, especially coming from internet political scientists, without researching it first.

            To put that into perspective, when President George W. Bush took office, our national debt was $5.768 trillion. By the time Bush left office, it had nearly doubled, to $10.626 trillion. So Bush’s record on deficit spending was not good at all: During his presidency, the national debt rose by an average of $607 billion a year.

            To be fair, Obama has done about the same, doubling what he had when he took over, so you were correct. Obama did assume a budget in 2009 that was not his, to be fair, but the ongoing wars (started by … well … you know) has caused this issue.

            Who raised taxes more than any President in history? Reagan. Who sold arms to the Iranians? Reagan. You expect a business man who inherited money and went bankrupt 8 times to run the economy well? Come on. He increased his wealth the same amount he would have had he just invested all of his inheritance in the S&P 500 and sat back and done nothing. But then he wouldn’t have his name emblazoned all over God’s creation would he … and that’s what matters.

          • wynnosu

            You voted for Romney. Riiiggghhhttt. Sure you did. Like most Obama apologists, yu can’t even be honest. Now you come on here after making a complete fool of yourself, trying to backtrack on a completely idiotic statement. You said, and I quite: “That debt is actually LESS than it was when he took office.” So when the community organizer took office the debt was around $10 trillion. Today it is about $19 trillion.

            I am going to ask this question in a way I hope even an Obama supporter can understand: Is $19 trillion LESS than $10 trillion?

            And just to be clear, you also lied about what the two presidents did while in office. Your comment, again was: “To be fair, Obama has done about the same” Another outright fabrication. Obama has almost DOUBLED the amount Bush added. It is nowhere CLOSE to being the same.

            And one more thing. The idiot Omama once called Bush “unpatriotic” for adding $5 trillion to the national debt. What do you think the community organizer calls himself since, by the time the next president is sworn in, will have added between $9 and $10 trillion to the debt?

            As a ROMNEY voter (eyes rolling) I would imagine Obama’s out-of-control spending would infuriate you. But, no, here you are defending it and blaming Bush. What a surprise!!

          • http://batman-news.com Joe from Cebu

            You destroyed that Obama lover! Great job!

          • DavidH

            Let me jump in here and ask a simple question – What part of the 9 Trillion increase was created by President Obama, and what part of the increase was created by the Republican Congress? Surely someone as educated as you is aware that Congress does the spending and the President can not simply allocate funds on his own.

          • Jacob Haver

            Obama took office in 2009, the Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress for nearly two whole years until the Republicans took the House. And the Dems still kept the Senate until 2014. Logically, how is a “Republican Congress” to blame, when the Democrats were the majority?

          • GOP FREE

            I hope you were not late to your KKK meeting with your completely inaccurate take on OBAMA. OBAMA IS 100 TIMES BETTER than cheney / bushit and 1,000 TIMES BETTER than donald ( THE “C” WORD ) Chump !

          • Whiteberry

            LOL. That’s funny!! I’m sure you’re joking here because no one with a brain could honestly believe what you wrote. People that believe Obama has done a good job must also believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny too.

          • William Skrainski

            You’re talking out of your ass….Bush had deficit spending down to under 200B a year….Then the democrats took the midterms in 2006….And another budget wasn’t submitted till 2012….when the Republicans took it back

          • desertpatriot

            @jc:
            fuzzy math pal. you’ve been had

          • Terry Wilson

            Less your a dam idiot.. if you balance your check book as Democrats do you would be homeless in less then a week,., If you believe Bernie Sanders will bring prosperity By Across the Board take hikes and 3 times as much spending as it will bring in when fall into another resesion because of it. The national devt has Increase because as Nation we are not growing.. Only palces are Growing is States Like Texas who now want out from supporting Liberal stupidity states and democrats… Kicking Illegals out of USA and not allowing Muslims in is what is Best for our economy and our safety.. Only fools support economic programs that do promote growth… Only fools support Rights of any Individual to get a Job in any place of business.. Only fools support Union only contractors who charge more get less done and fail to meet dead lines.. Want to see How a real republic works just Look at Texas… No State income Tax runs off of Sales tax.. If our National government would do the same we would Have no national debt.

          • JC Harris

            You really should not call people idiots if you cannot spell, use improper grammar, and forget punctuation. Then again, you fall right into the GOP demographic.

          • Joseph Ahner

            says the guy who doesnt realize that 10 trillion is not greater than 18.5 trillion

          • JohnJay60

            We had a balanced budget entering the 2000 campaign. One candidate campaigned on continuing that policies – did you vote for him? Or did you vote for the guy who promised to reduce the surplus?

          • Ronnie raygun

            Kicking Mexicans out like the dickheads that use to say we need to kick the Irish out. But now they’re integrated into our society. Actually fbi reports that conservative racist extremists are as much of a domestic terror threat, should we boot them out for safety? Texas is your example of how our country should work?gtfo… I bet you’re the type to complain about social programs but hate the homeless lol probably love monopolies and big corporations. Caring about entities vs actual people is sad.

          • Officer Obie

            No genius. The Federal debt is currently at $18.15 trillion. When Obama took office, it was at $10.7 trillion. Go back and take 4th grade math.

          • Joseph Ahner

            still not lower now than when obama took office though

          • William Skrainski

            No, it’s really not….It’s whitehouse math!

          • OMGO

            Basic math should tell you that $20 trillion, the level of debt we are approaching, is more than $5 trillion, the level we were near when Obama took office. The fact that you can’t figure out that 20 is 15 more than 5, or think that others will believe it isn’t because you do, is a sad statement both about our educational system and how badly you’ve been scammed by the Democratic Party.

          • JohnJay60

            This is a common mistake to confuse deficit with debt. Every Republican since Reagan has left office with a higher annual rate of debt increase (deficit) than they entered with. Both Clinton and Obama will leave office with a lower deficit than they entered with. And one candidate in 2000 campaigned on a promise to continue the budget surplus policies and begin paying down the debt, while another candidate campaigned on a promise to reduce our revenue and return us to deficit spending. Sadly, more people voted for the “keep the surplus” guy than the “deficits don’t matter” guy, but despite the public making it clear that surpluses were the preferred approach, the “deficits don’t matter guy” got his policies in place, ending 2008 with a final budget of around $4,000 PER PERSON in deficit spending. Obama’s most recent budget reduced that by $2,500 per person per year.

            You can’t decide 16 years later that deficits are a campaign issue and still support Republicans. The record of actual spending and income behavior at a federal level is in favor of Democratic Presidents. If you disagree, please quote numbers and show charts – such as this one. http://b-i.forbesimg.com/rickungar/files/2013/10/MW-AR658_spendi_20120521163312_ME11.jpg

          • nehwon73

            Clinton deficit yes, it already happened as such. Obama deficit, absolutely not. It simply is not possible when you spend as much as his administration has. He’s racked up, in federal deficit alone, over 447 billion in national deficit, not debt. The National debt has increased from about 6.5 trillion to over 19 trillion on his watch.

            There is a grand disparity between the two figures, debt and deficit. Deficit – Governmental spending vs income (taxes and other revenue), Debt – the summation of all the annual deficit figures while you were in office.

            Here’s a tool to help you keep watch on the spending.

            http://www.usdebtclock.org/

          • Brian

            http://www.usdebtclock.org/
            Love that website. Everyone should become very familiar with it.

          • tee O

            OMGO just skulked off after that, right? Don’t you love when self righteous people who sling insults about intelligence get it all mixed up and then don’t own their own error. sigh….

          • Triaxx2 .

            Common Core debt calculation.

          • Future Despot

            You are talking about the yearly deficit. The deficit is smaller yearly than it was but we are still deficit spending and that builds the debt. Debt is up severely since Obama took office. Before you start calling people sheep you should look in the mirror. What you will see is BAAH-Ah-Ah-AD!

          • Adam Hunsicker

            Do yourself a favor and don’t comment on economic policy before you know the difference between debt and deficit.

          • Jim Reese

            VERY incorrect, JC. The debt is almost double what it was when he took office. The deficit, however, IS down from the highs to which he took annual spending. Don’t feel bad. A lot of people can’t tell you the difference between the deficit and the debt.

          • Whiteberry

            JC Harris, what planet do you live on????? In January 2009 when Obama took office the National Debt was $10.6 trillion dollars. As of today the National Debt is $19.03 trillion dollars. The debt has almost doubled in the past seven years and Obama’s term isn’t over yet. How on earth can you say that the debt is less than when he took office?

          • mysticaltyger

            It’s amazing how people can say stuff that’s easily verifiable, yet 100% wrong–and pass it off as fact. Anyone can use Google and see that the debt is higher today than it was when Obama was elected, both in absolute terms, and as a % of GDP.

          • Nick

            Are you using Common Core Math?

          • MadTom

            WHEW. You said a mouthful.

            Got any more lies from Fox News that you have memorized for us?

          • wynnosu

            Got any original thoughts of your own on anything of substance? Parroting what Barry Obama tells you to say means nothing to me.

          • qi630 .

            wynnosu- Then go ahead and vote for one of your two choices. 1) Drumpf, the piece of trash or 2) Cruz- the lying, mealy mouthed delusional maniac. Meanwhile, in the real world, America will go on and go about its business. Oh, won’t it sting like Hell when the Clintons are back in the White House?

          • desertpatriot

            @qi:
            fyi -you’re behaving like an @ss. get it together…please

          • Bob

            After reading some of your posts Tommy, i believe I would like nothing more than to beat the fucking snot out of your old ass. Miserable fuck. ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐

          • hat579

            It is a republican debt to start with,the memory loss and history revision of Republicans is astounding,I mean there is a whole series of events that have been revised by republicans and their go to source at Fox.

          • wynnosu

            So let’s see if I have this right. When GW Bush took office, the national debt was approximately $5 trillion. When he left it was about $10 trillion. When Obama took office the debt was about $10 trillion. Today it is almost $19 trillion. You’re saying the debt before Obama was a republican debt, meaning Obama is not responsible for happened on his watch. But the debt Bush added was Bush’s fault? Then I guess in your world the debt that Bush inherited from Clinton was, what, a republican debt too?

            Hmmm. Makes great sense… at least to the way democrats always blame everyone else for their own disasters and take no personal responsibility for them. Republican debt = republican problem. Democrat debt = republican problem.

            Thanks for you invaluable view of the financial world.

          • Joseph Deleon

            Stop pulling numbers from your ass, you have no idea what the real numbers are.
            But let me tell you something, even if those numbers were true
            If Donald Quack…I mean Trump wins, by the time he exit the office the debt will be $190 Trillion.
            And the Country is going to be another thing he touches and bankrupts

          • wynnosu

            The numbers are there for everyone to see. Well, except people like you who have your noses embedded in Obama’s anal orifice. He promised to cut the debt in half and has, instead, doubled it. And while I am not a Trump fan, he has more experience in running a organization than the community organizer that YOU voted for twice will ever have. Face it: Obama has been a failed experiment. Many nimrods like yourself bought into his “Hope and Change” blindly and, even today, still cannot admit he made a fool of you for voting for him. How did you really expect a community organizer to suddenly have the experience to be a chief executive officer? Think about that for a minute. For all his faults, at least Trump knows how to run a successful organization. Obama doesn’t have the first clue. Never did, never will. He is an idiot.

            The national debt clock is attached. Even an Obama supporter should be able to punch in the dates that Bush took over and when he left, then compare that with when Obama took over and where it is now. He still has the better part of a year to phuck things even worse, and I have no doubt he will.

            You also may want to take a quick look at some of the other numbers on that chart. Like maybe the number of Americans who are not in the labor force. So much for Obama’s lies about the unemployment figures getting better. But I am sure you will not believe your eyes. You will still believe what the community organizer and the rest of his Nazis and lapdog media tell you to think.

            http://www.usdebtclock.org

          • M.

            Actually his numbers are dead on. There was no surplus that ever accumulated, and the debt was around 5 Trillion when Bush took office and it was 10 when he left.

          • Richard J Lacroix

            You’re all a bunch of ass clowns, go back to sleep.

          • M.

            Facts: they are what they are.

          • William Skrainski

            It was under a republican president……110th congress was run by democrats….so…

          • Victor

            I suppose the automobile industry and the big banks deserved to be bailed out. NEWSFLASH it is not the poor grandmother or the homeless bum on the street collecting welfare etc. that is the problem. Corporate welfare is the problem, big fossil fuel, big farm subsidies, big pharma, big banks, wall street, etc. etc. they are the entities picking my pocket. It’s been socialism for them and capitalism for the rest of us long enough.

          • mysticaltyger

            I don’t think we should make it into an either/or. We need to go after moochers of ALL income brackets.

          • http://batman-news.com Joe from Cebu

            The only thing I disagree with is that you said Obama is clueless. He’s not. He knows what he’s doing.

          • Joseph Ahner

            you’re right he knows exactly what he’s doing: Deliberately destroying America as we know her

          • http://www.TriumphCharters.com Doug

            The real solution to our national debt is not to cut public programs, but to rebuild our American Middle Class. We have lost our manufacturing jobs since we dropped the tariffs which protected our workers. We need to reinstate those tariffs to rebuild our middle class. Then, with higher paying jobs in abundance, all debts can be addressed in a much healthier manner.

          • Court Brock

            You’re an idiot. Democrats want to raise taxes and cut military spending so we can be financially solvent and have nice things, like roads and bridges and single payer health care.

          • desertpatriot

            @court:
            no, you’re the idiot for believing the government is the solution. news flash: the government is the problem. and the less we have of it then the better for all

          • amusing_myself

            So.. you are saying (1) that it took the Supreme Court to overrule the majority of the individuals in a dozen or so states that voted against the LGBT community when they voted against same sex marriage making them state law? (2) That the supreme court Roe v Wade decision that can only be turned over by the same supreme court can be overruled by a sitting President whom would be acting on the majority opinion within the US? And (3) those that agree with Mr. Trump are bigots, racists, and immigrant haters?

            Kinda shines a serious judgmental spotlight onto you don’t you think?

          • Joseph Ahner

            actually roe vs wade can be made irrelevant by an act of congress signed by the president

          • Jeri D. Sessler

            Those “dozen or so states” have a minority of the actual US population…Also doesn’t mean those same individuals have any knowledge of constitutional law vs. “what they believe to be true”.

          • amusing_myself

            Oh Please, the “World View” driven vote by SCOUTUS on this
            issue was not based on constitutionally guaranteed “rights” and this was only one many ‘rulings’ by the court system that has the framers of the Constitution are rolling over in their graves. Gay Marriage is not the problem. It is the forces behind it whom even after the SCOUTUS Gay Marriage ruling are going beyond way beyond this hurdle. Most recent is the pressuring the NCAA to pull membership of Religious Universities and colleges whom, under the proper and court approved laws, secured waivers to pretty tightly drawn up discrimination laws that the current POTUS as altered through the government bureaucracies and Executive orders. What I am saying is now they are using other forces to exact their world views until someone makes a decision that some judge will entertain in a court setting.

            NO Mam, the individuals may not know constitutional law, but when it gets bent by other forces until it eventually becomes a legal issue is the problem and the same individuals KNOW that, as well as you. Get off your horse.

          • Just a person

            While I agree with same sex marriage (civil union, whatever you want to call it) .
            The ruling handed down by the court spoke of feelings more than LAW.

          • Bob

            Well, it is exactly what I think. So no, it is not bullshit. “That’s BS. The majority of the country are not bigots, or racists, or immigrants haters.” this is just what you fucking lefties like to tie to republicans. You people are the actual bigots. Did you happen to notice the “gayness” being shoved down my throat at the super bowl halftime and commercials?

          • DavidH

            I assume you consider yourself to be part of the country that “are not bigots, or racists, or immigrants haters”. How does that fit with your apparent disgust of “”Gayness” being shoved down my throat?” Seems just a bit bigoted to me.

          • http://www.TriumphCharters.com Doug

            It might well not be what we all think but there is a sizable portion of ‘closet bigots’ he is pandering to. So one of Trumps’ methods of solidifying his ‘base’ is by effectively redefining ‘bigotry’ as ‘being smart’ which all the closet bigots absolutely love. This provides those bigots with a way to publicly / acceptably support their ignorant hate of people unlike themselves.

          • Jingo Bells

            Trump isn’t all those things either. You are misrepresenting what he has said, and bending it to the left just to hurt him. He is a blowhard and a narcissist, but so were most of our heroes like Patton.

          • Whiteberry

            You’re sounding just the whacko Liberals that try to twist the truth to fit their own agenda. Trump is not an immigrant hater. He hates ILLEGAL immigration. He’s not a racist just because he tells people the truth about what the Mexican government is doing. You may not like Trump, I get that, but when you twist and lie about the words he said you just make yourself look foolish.

          • Nick

            we dont hate immigrants, illegal trespassing border crossers ARE NOT IMMIGRANTS

          • Peter Paul of the Eartheart

            And Donald Trump has never said anything that should be construed as bigoted,racist or immigrant haters. You just proved the real problem of this country and that is the spreading of misinformation and showing a disrespect for the truth. That is the reality that Trump has tapped into and you have shown you are incapable of understanding that.

          • wynnosu

            Obama has been the most divisive president in history. Whether its black vs white, gay vs straight, men vs women, rich vs poor, he has found a way to divide all of us. The great presidents were uniters. Obama is the antithesis of that.

          • desertpatriot

            wy:
            obozo -the great divider. yeah, it fits

          • Ernest Allen

            Wrong. Bush owns that title lock, stock, and barrel. Obama is hated by GOPers and militia “independent” types. Bush was loathed by pretty much everyone. Compare favorability ratings of the two when Obama’s January 2017 departure comes. Won’t even be close. You are free to return to your church bombing planning.

          • wynnosu

            As is your modus operandi, you have no comprehension of the English language. I said Obama is the most divisive president in history. Bush certainly had many people who didn’t like him but that isn’t the same as being divisive. Obama purposely divides people. Alway looking for the “us vs. them” out. He places people in categories and then decides which group to support and which group to blame. It is his method. A great leader finds ways to bring people together. Piss-poor “leaders” like Obama find ways to keep people apart. He is a moron and a clueless president.

          • Ernest Allen

            As is required by your apparently low IQ and raging case of cognitive dissonance, need I remind you that it’s Trump and his fellow travelers like Cruz who unabashedly divide America into “us vs them”. Watch a GOP debate or pick up a fucking newspaper.

          • Mlucid

            Obama is just another lapdog. You think he is divisive? How ignorant. The two party charade thrives on division. Both parites lie to their bases and serve the Money. The lies keep folks like you frothing over all the wrong things, and they lap up the campaign funds and insider deals.

            But you’re committed by now, aren’t you? You couldn’t begin to admit to yourself how long you been deluded. I know. It was tough for me too. But I’m an engineer. I look at the data. When Clinton passed the Telecommunications Act of 1996 the data was in. He was a Money patsy and a liar. You’ll come around too, someday. (or die off)

          • Joseph Ahner

            Do you know what the word Divisive means?
            Divisive:

            adjective

            1.

            forming or expressing division or distribution.

            2.

            creating dissension or discord.

            If everyone hated Bush he united them all in their hatred of him and therefore was not a divisive President.

          • Ernest Allen

            He did a fantastic job dividing the Republican party. Comment stands.

          • Chris

            Isn’t entirely possible that this “divisiveness” was created by us? Particularly the growth of internet comment discourse, where we can hide behind our computer screen and invent and exaggerate narratives?

          • Brian

            Politicians (the establishment) divide us to make us weak. Obama, under the auspices of the establishment, was a master of this. The Republicans are trying to divide the Trump supporters now with the racist KKK crap they are trying to associated him with.

          • Bill Powell

            I don’t support Trump, but your statement is so disingenuous its almost laughable. No one ‘looks wistfully at public lynching’s.’
            What people look wistfully at are times when one could leave his home and car unlocked, when people could walk down the street at night without being mugged, when people found jobs with ease and could work their way to better incomes, when you could call a company for information or support and didn’t have to wade through a menu of different languages, when there were two public bathrooms and men used one, women used the other, when America truly was wealthy, not trillions in debt, when America was a producing nation with a positive net export/import number, when American military power was used judiciously and seldom required, when the government spied on the communists, not Americans, when…. Well, it goes on and on. Many people recognize that this government no longer works in the best interest of tax-paying Americans, and many of us are tired of it.

          • Bill Powell

            exporting

          • Nick

            Just give your guns to Hillary right? she wouldn’t put us in a camp, after all she has a vagina …

          • JC Harris

            So you prefer the religious zealot over the racist? Good choice, but not really much difference. Neither can or will win. 35% of the national polls, as put above, is really 35% of the REPUBLICAN national poll, which doesn’t include independents or democrats. 35% is nothing. He will be trounced in the general election, as will Cruz.

          • Achitosh

            Every Republican candidate that is currently running does not have the proper support anywhere to win the election. The media is centered on Hilary (Negative media), and Bernie Sanders. Both in which, happen to be Democratic. One better than the other by a long shot.

            It’s interesting to see how Bernie has been working for the same thing for 30 years. Part of me says we need to let him have a swing at it. The cynical part of me says he won’t get anything done but perhaps he’ll drag the issues out in the light and the next person will hack away at them. Who knows, maybe he can achieve something.

            He’s not the most personable person (OK an iguana comes to mind), he doesn’t have much of sense of humor, he’s not the best speaker but he seems t…o be incorruptible. That in itself is worth voting for.

            Anyone worried about him labeling himself a Democratic Socialist will want to look that term up so you realize what it is and isn’t. A Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. With that said, the most “popular” “Republican” is currently Trump, who has no actual support from anyone that has half a brain and comprehension of how politics work, or what is actually going on. Perhaps this is why 80% of his supporters are over the age of 60.

          • curious1956

            Look at all of those socialistic Scandinavian countries. The Danes are often called “the happiest people on earth”.. Yes they pay taxes. But they know that in old age they will be taken care of without going in bankruptcy. The Finns are considered to have the least corruptible government in the world, And their educational system is among the best in the world. The other Nordic countries are know for their leadership in in sharing their wealth with many nations in need of the help they can give them. When is the US going to deal with the fact that 1% of the world’s population controls 50% of the world’s wealth. And American corporations create off-shore offices to avoid paying taxes on their income. Just correcting that one issue would help us re-set our budget. And let’s take a look at our president. In spite of much of Christian fundamentalist dislike of Obama, many of his programs are aimed at the basic message of the Jesus they claim to follow…feed the hungry, find shelter for the poor, accept the unacceptable and the outcast. One book asked a simply question, “When did Jesus Become a Republican?” When all of those southern Democrats left when Johnson signed the Civil Rights Bill . And where is the country going when he targets people who have been left behind who see him a “savior”. He speaks before he thinks. We need someone who thinks before he (or she) speaks. Which one will have the fewest “unintended consequences?

          • Christian Gonzales

            Do you even economics bro? You sound like a Sanders supporter. Ya lets just steal from the rich because their stuff is “our” stuff am I right? Its also totally big daddies government job to take care of everyone, so we should definitely give them money because its not like they’re corrupt or anything right? Ya give me a break. People like you like to spread false information and appeal to people’s pathos, but the truth will always surface. The problem isn’t big business, well it is, but only because we have big government. As for your Scandinavian countries feel good rhetoric here’s a link with multiple sources that give out the facts.

            http://www.bullshitexposed.com/scandinavian-socialism-debunked/

            Ya the Scandinavians are more capitalist then you think huh?
            Also its laughable to even comparable Scandinavian countries to America since you know, unlike America they’re the opposite of diverse. I mean they get a little diversity with the refugees and now places like Sweden are the new rape capital of the world and is predicted to become as poor as a 3rd world nation in 20-30 years. I guess ignorance is bliss.

          • Achitosh

            It’s real sad to see so many people hate on Bernie Sanders when a good majority of Republicans have a stuck so far up their ass they’re talking shit for days. Unfortunately said stick, is also crammed into their brain and they can’t comprehend how the concept of ‘change’ can be beneficial.
            Oh. so you’re planning on moving out of America if we elect a Democratic Socialist President? Please tell me what first world country you are planning inhabit that that doesn’t already provide it’s citizens with universal healthcare and affordable higher education. If Bernie is elected, nothing but good could possibly come from it unless the conservative republicans actively fight what he wishes to do. It is the Republicans who are holding us back from being as ecologically and politically advanced as everyone in Europe. America. You’re behind on the race to the best possible society.

          • William Skrainski

            They are some racist mofo’s too

          • William Skrainski

            Hillary will be lawyered up by election time

          • http://batman-news.com Joe from Cebu

            If there’s so much support for Dems and so little for Republicans, why are the debate ratings for Republicans trouncing democrat debates, hmmm?

          • Joseph Ahner

            Bernie’s “Democratic Socialism” IS Marxist-Leninism which caused
            laughable shortages of every kind in nations like the Union Of Soviet
            Socialist Republics, the Peoples Republic of China. Also lets not forget
            the Marxist-Leninist run Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea which is
            currently suffering from famine because Marxist Socialism no matter how
            Democratic it is doesn’t work. The Union Of Soviet
            Socialist Republics was actually a Democracy. A One Party Democracy but within the Communist Party there were Elections determining who ran the joint. An economy cannot be run Democratically because not everyone knows how Economics work. The willfully ignorant masses will only vote themselves higher wages than their labor is actually worth and then the economy will collapse when they can no longer pay themselves or the dollars they earn become worthless through inflation.

        • Bob Graham

          Of course Trump isn’t playing by the “standard Washington rules”. He’s playing by the kind of rules that degrade humanity and will have a damaging impact on presidential politics for decades to come. They are rules that have worked historically, of course, because as Altucher points out, they appeal to the unprincipled and uneducated (and I don’t mean “school” uneducated) that always exists. True politicians, for all their faults, know that appealing to this “base” base is dangerous. McCain did it first in unleashing Palin, who quickly realized the red meat she was throwing made her more popular than him. Trump has simply followed her lead. The Republican Party establishment is also to blame. As they have seen their constituency dwindle over the past decade, they have become more and more desperate to court new blood. Well, they reaped the wind; now they’re sowing the whirlwind.

      • borderraven

        Opposing illegal immigration and defending US sovereignty is not hating those who obey our laws and are legally present, and your propaganda is noted. Good borders make foreigners use our gates.

        • Christopher Flores

          It is when you believe every illegal immigrant illegally crossed the border to get here.

          • borderraven

            Discrimination is the essence of sovereignty.

          • Christopher Flores

            You can use either definition of the term and, for you, it leads to racism. Choose.

          • desertpatriot

            @chris:
            i noticed you are eager to play the race card…which is the last card played when far-left misguided progressives begin to lose the argument. wanna try again…with another card this time? go ahead, i’ll grant you a second chance

          • carlos Javier

            you know who uses the term Race Card? Racists. when they get called out on their Racism. Why aren’t you at the Canadian border?

          • desertpatriot

            @blackhand:
            why aren’t you back in mexico where you belong?

          • carlos Javier

            I do not have any heritage from Mexico I am from ST Croix USVI which has been an American territory since 1917 . America came to us not the other way around . I was born American my father was born american his Father was born American and my great grandfathers father Was born American And not One of them Immigrated to do so. that makes my Children fifth generation Americans. Why aren’t you in Europe where you belong?

          • borderraven

            I will be the most racist and discriminating person in my defense of the USA! I will be a vigilante and a Minuteman to defend my country. I will to the best of my ability be the reason you stay out of the USA or you get out before DHS deports you. Am I clear? I am an American Patriot!

          • carlos Javier

            NO you are the most vile kind of un-American moron their is. those people you call illegal ARE indigenous to the land you claim as your own. they are true Native AMERICANS and you are a european interloper. nothing more than an occupier of their ancestral lands.

          • borderraven

            Their ancestors were conquered by a stronger military with better tactics and technology! We have governments, laws, treaties and borders. GET OVER IT! Get out of the USA because DHS is planning raids and sweeps to round up and deport families of illegal aliens!

          • Everett Daly

            That’s terrorism, not patriotism. And no, judging by your profile picture, you aren’t going to a minuteman; the only place you could run to in a minute is McDonalds.

          • borderraven

            It’s called vigilantism, and George W Bush said the Minutemen were vigilantes, so I’ll try to be the best vigilante I can be. And you are correct, I drive-thru McDonald’s, but you miss the point I serve my national security mission in areas you will never know. The unorganized militia will rise to the occasion when needed.

          • Christopher Flores

            That’s not patriotism, least of all in the United States. United, not Divided. Bigoted old fool.

          • desertpatriot

            @chris:
            borderraven wants to protect our country from the bad element…eh-hem. why is this not patriotic?

          • Christopher Flores

            Because you two are the bad element.

          • desertpatriot

            yo homeslice, pick up on this…
            you’re the disease and i’m the cure

          • ronniebray

            You are an ignorant punk. I have been uinsulted by nmuch better mebnt ahb you, and I don’t scare, especially I do bnot scare by cowards afraid to write their own name to their ignorant Trumpisms. Shame on you, cowardly boy.

          • Christopher Flores

            You’re not a cure for anything but freedom.

          • desertpatriot

            @chris:
            fyi: please quit playing the race card; it makes you look foolish

          • Christopher Flores

            If you’re going to be a bigot, have the balls to admit to it. This is America… you’re free to be a bigot… but don’t cry foul when you get called a wolf just because you’re wearing sheep’s clothing.

          • desertpatriot

            @chris:
            not only am i a bigot but also a racist, a fascist, a hate monger, a homophobe etc. iow all of the above. so my question i leave with you is….
            ‘how do you like me now?’

          • Christopher Flores

            For someone who rants and raves like a lunatic about the entitlement society… you seem to think you’re entitled to an awful lot that has absolutely nothing to do with you.

          • https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201653558238253&set=t.640586009&type=3&theater Jon Darcy

            You’re just an ass. Hey Ass why don’t you bring family of these muuuslims into your home

          • Christopher Flores

            No, it just takes more than a soundbite for me to formulate an opinion on something.

          • xaade

            Is there something stopping you from deporting a person after their visa expires?

          • Christopher Flores

            No, but that’s not the argument you sorry asses use. If you HAD, it wouldn’t be an issue, but you don’t. In fact, I’m willing to bet you didn’t even consider that aspect until now.

          • xaade

            You make no sense.

            “not hating those who obey our laws and are legally present”

            “it is when you believe every ILLEGAL immigrant illegally crossed the border”

            *I note that the only logical point you have is that some are here illegally even though they crossed legally

            “deporting after there visa expires”

            “but that’s not the argument you sorry asses use”

            ???

            “I’m willing to bet you didn’t even consider that aspect until now.”

            Ok, so now I’m wondering what the purpose of your argument is.

            You argue that we hate illegal immigrants because we forgot to think of other illegal immigrants that are here illegally?

            That doesn’t even make sense.

          • Christopher Flores

            Because your whole argument is based in the idea that ALL illegal immigrants crossed from Mexico to get here. It never occured to you that those immigrants only make up 30% of the illegal immigrants here. I don’t see why you oppose a path to legalization when 70% of illegal immigrants came to the United States, legally and for a variety of reason, had their legal status revoked, sometimes over minor legal oversights. But, you’re not concerned with any of those details. You hear the word “illegal” and you instinctively respond, “Deport”. That shows an utter lack of thinking, and more importantly, understanding. So, why should we leave a decision to someone who doesn’t care enough to look it up? Why should you, who doesn’t give a damn enough to take the time to do a little fact-checking, decide the fate of millions of people?

          • xaade

            False dilemmas everywhere dude.

            I don’t oppose a path to legalization. It already exists. We just aren’t enforcing the laws we already have that accomplish this.

            My manager’s parents and his family legally immigrated through a path to legalization, before he came here. He’s Hispanic and opposes open borders. My wife is a legal immigrant.

            Why would I instinctively respond, “Deport”. Show me where I said that? Why would I want that, when it was a threat to my family and friends?

            I want to deport the multiple felons that the federal government has done nothing about because they don’t want to look racist.

            There is a reason why immigration is limited into America, because it takes time to assimilate to our culture and establish a stable home. Expediting immigration will just import poverty. And that doesn’t make their life better.

            You seem to be only concerned with this issue at the point where you can argue it and make yourself morally superior.

            The issue ends for you once you don’t have to hear about it anymore. You don’t care about the quiet suffering that illegal immigrants go through being abused and raped by the human traffickers on the way here.

            20 years.

            20 years of war in Syria. And only now do you care, because your liberal mentality has to look at it in the face.

            Nope, it’s easier to look morally superior by demonizing people like me that urge caution, because you can pat yourself on the back for caring so much about a people group you do jack for.

            Have you thought about how they’ll get jobs? How they’ll pay for their homes? Permanent welfare is not a solution. People need to keep themselves on their own feet in order to feel secure. Permanent welfare makes immigrants feel insecure, because that can be taken away any moment.

            Germany and other European countries have just put them in camps or hotels with zero plans or investments into these people’s futures.

          • Christopher Flores

            Just because one instamce helps your point doesn’t validate the whole argument. There’s a lot that always gets overlooked.

          • CJWarnke

            Dude, first off your numbers are complete BS. Flip those numbers around. Second, it doesnt matter. anyone who is willing to commit a felony is a felon. that immediately disqualifies you from any future chance to immigrate. Forging US state or federal identification documentation is a felony. Anyone that has a job must pay social security takes, and for that they need documentation. Therefore, all illegals (yes, ILLEGALS) who are working, going to school or otherwise not living completely off the grid are committing a felony and are not eligible for immigration.

          • Christopher Flores

            Except that crime isn’t a feloney?

          • desertpatriot

            @chris:
            i would pay good money to have you deported

          • Christopher Flores

            I’m legal, but good to know you’re that petty.

          • desertpatriot

            @chris:
            i would pay good money to have you kidnapped and returned to your (or parents) country of origin

          • ronniebray

            Kidnapping is a Federal offense for which the penalty is death. If you were American and a patriot you would know that. LOL. What a crock. or should that be crack?

          • desertpatriot

            @donkeybray:
            catch me if you can ;>)

          • Christopher Flores

            This is my country of origin, same for my parents, grandparents, and great grandparents. All American. Can you say the same, you disgusting excuse of a human being?

          • desertpatriot

            @captquint:
            i would pay good money to have you kidnapped, tortured then drawn (dragged by horse) and quartered

          • Christopher Flores

            I see… So you’re a terrorist.

          • desertpatriot

            @chris:
            wrong. you’re the disease; i’m the cure. make a mental note

          • Christopher Flores

            That’s what a terrorist would say.

          • desertpatriot

            @captquint:
            that’s what a patriot would say. now stfu!

          • Christopher Flores

            That’s how a terrorist would justify terrorism.

          • desertpatriot

            foad

          • Christopher Flores

            Rot in hell.

          • desertpatriot

            bl@w me

          • Christopher Flores

            Sorry, I’m not into bitches.

        • Everett Daly

          No, good gates make people use our gates, not borders.

          I’d be all for enforcing legal immigration if the immigration process wasn’t terrible. We’ve got people on our borders starving who don’t have the time or the money to go through the process, and it’s unreasonable to ask them to wait till it’s fixed. Preserving life comes before preserving order and lawfulness. We can wait till the system is fixed to start complaining about illegal immigration, not the other way around.

          • borderraven

            The USA has enough problems. The illegal aliens are breaking out immigration system. Those migrants can take their problems to their government and the catholic church who pushes anti-contraception birth control causing overpopulation. Mexico will be forced to repatriate its citizens, educate them, find them jobs and healthcare. Let the Proud Mexicans fix Mexico. Let the Mexican Revolucion begin.

          • Jim Mooney

            And as a codicil, I’ve always favored giving Texas back to Mexico ;’)

          • Charles Wesley

            Ya’ll gonna give California back, too? Oregon? Wyoming? Oklahoma?

            Perhaps you need to put a little thought into your comments? Or is that asking too much?

          • Jim Mooney

            They were never a part of Mexico. Texas was.

          • xaade

            We feed the country wealth.

            Feel free getting rid of us, so you can support the 60% untaxed without our 30% net to the federal government.

          • desertpatriot

            @jim:
            and i’ve always favored giving mexico back to spain.

          • CJWarnke

            Considering Texas actually won their independence from their former rulers (Mexico) on their own, as opposed to any other state except the 13 colonies, you are not really in a place to “give” anything back to Mexico… You can release them and allow them to become their own country, once again, but that would be an incredibly stupid move. But i bet you are from California or some state like that.

          • desertpatriot

            @cj:
            “But i bet you are from California or some state like that”

            bingo! ya hit the nail on the head

          • Christopher Flores

            Admit it, you just hate dark-skinned people.

          • borderraven

            Nope, you race baiting asshole, I love US sovereignty and homeland security.

          • Christopher Flores

            Okay, and what if the people decide we want to let them stay? Will you love that decision?

          • borderraven

            I’m almost 62 years old and living on military retirement. I apply for Social Security soon. I don’t pay much in taxes. You on the other hand may be younger and maybe not working. Your taxes will be more. Ask yourself, if your taxes should go for you, your family and local economy, or for illegal immigrants? Maybe you or your child will try to go to college or get a job, but find those seats occupied.

          • desertpatriot

            @chris:
            i’ll answer that question…
            no, nor would i honor that decision. we are a nation of laws and and those who break the law by entering our country illegally should be severely punished

          • Michael Duca

            Despite it doing so little for you….

          • desertpatriot

            @chris:
            admit it, you’re dumber than a box of rocks

          • Christopher Flores

            Actually, I scored above 150 on my IQ test. I scored 132 when i was 15.

          • desertpatriot

            @chris:
            was the test issued south of the border? that would explain a lot

          • Christopher Flores

            Is that the best you can think of?

          • desertpatriot

            @chris:
            that’s a ‘yes’

          • Damian Caligula

            What about the Chinese? Far more illegal immigrants are coming from Asia yet you are still going on about Mexicans being the problem. If you really cared about immigration you wouldn’t be blaming it all on Mexicans.

          • borderraven

            “Mexicans” is generic for “illegal aliens”. Eighty percent of illegal aliens in the USA are either Mexican or crossed the Mexican border.

          • carlos Javier

            no they came on boats from europe and mutiplied. the people you speak of were already here.

          • xaade

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_criminal_enterprises,_gangs_and_syndicates#Organized_crime_in_the_United_States

            Hmm… Chinese crime in America…. America section…. looking…. Chinese gang…. Chinese gang.

            Oh look, Hispanics have their own SUBSECTION.

          • Damian Caligula

            You mean the subsection that shows all the defunct and disbanded Latin American gangs? Did you ignore the subsection farther down it that shows the Chinese gangs? The cholos I used to go to school with were terrified of being captured and tortured by asian gangsters. Asian gangs are much more efficient and deadly.

          • CJWarnke

            Well, First off, far more asians end up being successful in the US, the work ethic is much superior. However, illegal is illegal, but historically, they have mostly come from Mexico, therefor his use of Mexicans and a generic term.

          • Damian Caligula

            I disagree. Have you ever worked with Mexicans? They generally work their asses off. If Chinese people are more successful here it’s only because they come here with more money to start with. Frankly I’d rather have poor people coming here and taking low paying jobs than rich people coming here and taking all the high paying ones.

          • conehead

            just because some of the people claim to be starving you would let everybody in? talk about moronic policy. just open the gates and let them stream thru. first of all its not our job to take care of the world and second if you let them in indiscriminately you have no control who is entering. third pretty soon the illegal immigrants
            will bring our county down to the level of what they left, at that point they will move on leaving the usa in ruins.

          • Everett Daly

            It’s not moronic, it’s humanitarian; I’d rather save too many people than too few. Pretty simple moral principle there, don’t you think?

            It’s everyone’s responsibility to help who they can. I don’t support playing world police or barging into middle eastern countries for oil, but if putting a roof over someone’s head is something you can do, its automatically something you should do.

            Illegal immigrants are in no way bringing down the country, save for the fact that many of them don’t have the option to pay taxes (not that the poor are the people who need to be taxed). Immigrants of all nationalities have lower crime rates than whites, and they’re often laboring in spite of being forced to work beneath minimum wage by their employers due to their illegal status.

          • xaade

            By what measure?

            Historically speaking, immigrants always bring their crime with them.

            It takes a long time before they stabilize!

            You’re born into a privileged time to not have to know the past.

          • xaade

            “It’s everyone’s responsibility to help who they can”

            It’s your responsibility?

            Ok, here’s a list of who you can donate to, to help people displaced in Syria. And they’ll get that help now, without having to wait for bureaucracy to bring their faces to your front door.

            https://www.charitywatch.org/charitywatch-hot-topic/syrian-humanitarian-relief/4

            Here’s the soup kitchen in New York. I’m not sure where you live so I just picked a major city. You can find one in your local city, and volunteer.

            http://www.foodbanknyc.org/index.cfm?objectid=481f5c69-3048-651a-20df373f26780c08

          • xaade

            We can’t take on people that don’t have the skills or means to provide for themselves.

            We are not the humanitarian aid of the world.

            We do not have unlimited resources.

            But it would go a long way if you’d sponsor one of these families.

            They’d be immigrated almost immediately.

            You can donate like what, $100 and feed and house a foreign family for a month.

            20 years of war in Syria, and throughout that entire time there have been charities in Syria providing for displaced families.

            Nope, you’re more interested in burdening someone else, because it’s not your problem to figure out how to house, clothe, feed hundreds of thousands of people.

            No, it’s your job to sit on your couch and criticize any action taken, because it’s just not enough.

          • carlos Javier

            that is exactly what the statue of liberty says. it does not say send us your educated and wealthy.

          • desertpatriot

            @ev:
            why don’t you encourage those at the border to go south and cross the guatemalan border. why do they have to cross our border?

          • Everett Daly

            Why do you think you have the right to tell them where to go? Why do you think Guatemala is a good place to send people?

          • desertpatriot

            @ev:
            because our boat is full and we cannot take anymore. guatemala has plenty of lush green jungles where these campesinos can hang their hat

          • carlos Javier

            Every human on the planet would fill a space the size of texas and there would be room to spare. the boat is not full not even close We throw away enough food in this country to feed the world your greed stupidity and xenophobia are full.

          • desertpatriot

            @blackhand:
            how many illegal immigrants have you taken in to your household and supported? none? no surprise there

          • carlos Javier

            I do not ask to see someones green card before i extend my charity.

          • desertpatriot

            @blackhand:
            answer my question

          • CJWarnke

            They have no right here!!! if theyare on our borders, either they are Mexican or canadian, or they had to travel a long ways to get here. If they had to travel to get here, they had to spend money or travel here somehow. That money could have been spend feeding themselves. They made bad decisions and let mexico or canada feed them. If they are Canadian or mexican, We should talk to those countries and see why they are letting all their people starve!

          • Everett Daly

            You do realize the word “border” and “long ways” are essentially opposites, right? Border means “adjacent” or “right next to”. I’m sure many of the people who actually did spend money probably could have afforded to live a little longer in their respective countries, but when the piggy bank is draining down, you’re probably going to make a move before it’s empty.

          • CJWarnke

            So you make the decision to go leech in another country? If you cant follow directions and do things the legal way, i am sorry but you get no entry.

          • xaade

            “Preserving life comes before preserving order and lawfulness.”

            And how do you suppose you preserve life without order and lawfulness. Order and lawfulness are there to protect rights. Protecting rights protects life.

            Do you know what happens when you let in refugees without preserving order?

            They kill each other.

            http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/609410/refugee-crisis-Germany-fights-religion-Kassel-Rainer-Wendt-police-migrants

            All open borders does is create second-class-non-citizen, creating a class segregated by differentiated rights.

          • Everett Daly

            Ah yes, the old “some immigrants did this, so all immigrants do this” line.

            I didn’t say “ignore order completely”; I said to put life first. If the job of order and lawfulness is to protect rights and life, then why respect laws which do not effectively protect an individuals rights or life? When the laws don’t work, you don’t modify your actions, you modify the laws. Illegal immigration is not indicative of a need for stricter border control; it is indicative of a need for legalization reform.

            One of the largest factors causing illegal immigrants being treated as second class citizens is that, due to their status, they can essentially be blackmailed by employers to work below minimum wage. If their status weren’t able to be held against them, it would be far less an issue. Furthermore, if they’re willingly choosing to be second-class rather than third-world, I’m pretty sure it’s an improvement from their perspective.

          • xaade

            “Ah yes, the old “some immigrants did this, so all immigrants do this” line.”

            That’s not what I said.

            I said, that when you allow for illegal immigration without proper control, you get a situation that allows for increased crime.

            It only takes a handful of people committing these crimes for it to become a problem.

            “When the laws don’t work, you don’t modify your actions, you modify the laws.”

            Open borders is an example of a policy that is not working.

            It’s going to be hard to convince someone that open borders is ok when a family member is killed by a repeat felon that’s been deported multiple times.

            You keep talking about making the gate better, but criminals don’t use gates, no matter how good the gate is.

            It’s not the peaceful illegal immigrants that are the problem. And legalization reform will do nothing to help.

            You will always need border control and protection.

            The answer isn’t whether you need border control or legalization reform. The answer is that you need both.

            The party-lines lie is that you need one before the other, and both parties are guilty of this. They are stalling each other out, to the point where amnesty is necessary.

            Think of it like this.

            You own a bank. However, you make it really hard to get an account, but you leave the doors unlocked. You keep getting stolen from, which makes is harder to do business, which means you have to make it harder for people to get an account.

            You actually have two problems, but different sets of people are making it seem like you only have one.

            One group says you need to hire more security, and you’ll have less theft. The other group says you need an easier application process and you’ll have less theft.

            The more security definitely solves the theft problem, so the second argument is flat out wrong.

            That’s the problem. The people arguing for legalization reform are making the wrong arguments, so it initially sounds like this isn’t a problem, because the arguments are so easy to knock down.

            The second problem with legalization that people are frustrated with, is our welfare system. People do not want to let in a large group of people that will likely receive more benefit than they give. And I don’t care how many claim to pay taxes. Because they aren’t accounted for, it’s easy to create situations where one parent works, and the rest of his family gets welfare based on being an unpaid single parent family. So the net benefit is negative.

            So, the main other problem is welfare reform.

            No more using marriage as a method for determining who is a part of a family.

            So, you have three problems.
            1. Border control is a real problem.
            2. Less strict immigration.
            3. Welfare reform.

            And with each party acting like there’s only one problem, you won’t get a solution any time soon.

            This is the advantage of being a moderate. You’re able to think outside party lines and determine real problems, rather than the problems you’re told to think of.

            “One of the largest factors causing illegal immigrants being treated as second class citizens is that, due to their status, they can essentially be blackmailed by employers to work below minimum wage.”

            I’m aware of this.

            But the legalization of immigration needs to occur before they enter the country.

            There are so many issues with open borders that are real issues that tend to get overlooked because people want an immediate solution to a problem.

            Problem: Family in Mexico needs a better life.
            Immediate Solution: Overlook their illegal immigration status.
            Real Solution: Offer a better legal immigration prior to entry.

            You end up overlooking problems like crime status in Mexico, importing poverty, and importing disease. All things that aren’t cleared when they enter illegally.

            When you tighten border control, they’re forced to use your gates. The problem with your analogy of better gates, is that this is a burden to them. Why would anyone submit themselves to scrutiny, no matter how convenient?

            Both need to be solved.

            And it inevitably means that we WILL turn some people away. And sometimes we WILL turn away people that really need help.

            If you find a problem with that, maybe some people are better helped where they are, than letting them in.

            There’s a video that demonstrated that no matter how many immigrants we let in, that problem is too big, and we can see exponentially more benefit to helping people where they are.

            We can send charity aid (not just money, literally people, as in doctors and such) to outlying towns in Mexico, and get more done with less, than we’ll ever help with open borders.

            And this is what happens when you focus too much on policy and party-lines. You fail to find actual solutions. You get holed into a box you can’t think outside of.

            So a real solution strategy.

            1. Border control
            2. Reduced immigration requirements
            3. Welfare reform (rely on other indicators than marriage status)
            4. Support foreign charity and aid. (not just throwing money, support people willing to go to foreign location).

          • Everett Daly

            “You keep talking about making the gate better, but criminals don’t use gates, no matter how good the gate is.”

            But immigrants aren’t people who want to be criminals, and if the gate were better, criminals probably would use it. I mean take itunes for example; napster music pirating used to be something people actually cared about, then a bunch of exceedingly cheap and easy ways to legally own music came out and made loads of money.

            “Bank analogy”

            Again, this would be a wondrous analogy if immigrants actually aspired to be robbers. You talk about immigrants killing people’s family, but it’s been shown that immigration reduces crime rates. All this mention of risk is relatively non sequitur. Same goes for your mention of them draining the economy. These are people working jobs noone else is willing to, and there are far better targets to pick out when it comes to draining money.

            You’re right to point out that the “immediate solution” (overlooking illegal status) is not something which should be treated as the norm, but you’re acting as though working on the real solution (a better immigration process) can’t be done while the temporary fix is active. These aren’t mutually exclusive actions. We can say “until this is fixed, here’s your pass to work” to immigrants and simultaneously go about actually building a system which promotes legal entry and denies illegal passage.

            For the most part, your end conclusion is actually pretty agreeable, but fixing the immigration requirements needs to come before increased border control. Helping those who need it comes before punishing those who deserve it; this principle is seen throughout the US in things common ideals like “innocent until proven guilty”. Letting the good guy in has to be prioritized over keeping the bad guy out. Yet in spite of this, the right exclusively talks about the latter, and even the left is hesitant to talk about legalization reform.

        • LuMace

          Net immigration is down and declining though, you guys are barking up factually misinformed trees as always. It’s bigotry that you’re trying to dress as any number of other things and the rest of America is sick of not calling you on your nonsense. We are also sick of your complaining and the people among your ranks who threaten action against the country if it doesn’t kow-tow to their demands. I hope these radical fascist elements of the Republican party start making themselves known and doing incredibly stupid things so that the public gets a grasp of who the domestic terror threats actually are.

          • borderraven

            You don’t stop running when you are winning the race. Build the wall, increase immigration enforcement, deport every illegal alien, stop the human trafficking and the drugs. Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement works!

          • Everett Daly

            What human trafficking and drugs? Immigrants have lower crime rates than whites. Unless by “trafficking” you actually mean trafficking yourself across the border.

          • Stephen Jackson

            you are delirious…

          • borderraven

            What “immigrants” are you including in your stats? Illegal aliens are not immigrants! Illegal immigration is a crime!

          • Everett Daly
          • borderraven

            Footnote 2 – Defendants prefer the term “undocumented immigrants.”   However, defendants do not cite any authoritative definition of the term and do not support their assertion that the terms “undocumented immigrant” and “illegal alien” are interchangeable. We consider the term “illegal alien” less ambiguous.   Thus, under federal law, an “alien” is “any person not a citizen or national of the United States.”  (8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(3).)   A “national of the United States” means a U.S. citizen or a noncitizen who owes permanent allegiance to the United States.  (8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(22).)   Under federal law, “immigrant” means every alien except those classified by federal law as nonimmigrant aliens.  (8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(15).)  “Nonimmigrant aliens” are, in general, temporary visitors to the United States, such as diplomats and students who have no intention of abandoning their residence in a foreign country.  (8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(15)(F), (G);  Elkins v. Moreno (1978) 435 U.S. 647, 664-665, 98 S.Ct. 1338, 1349, 55 L.Ed.2d 614, 627-628 [under pre-1996 law, held the question whether nonimmigrant aliens could become domiciliaries of Maryland for purposes of in-state college tuition was a matter of state law].)   The federal statutes at issue in this appeal refer to “alien[s] who [are] not lawfully present in the United States.”  (8 U.S.C. §§ 1621(d), 1623.)   In place of the cumbersome phrase “alien[s] who [are] not lawfully present,” we shall use the term “illegal aliens.” – http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1064389.html

          • Everett Daly

            Congratulations; you have, infact, proven that illegal immigrants are illegal. That’s tantamount to proving “water is wet,” and I’m not impressed. However, in spite of their illegal status, their presence does lower crime rates, as shown in the previous links which you could have actually taken the time to read.

          • Ronald Humphreys

            It seems to me that if the illegal aliens were not here to commit their crimes that at least that large batch of crimes would not be committed by aliens who are not even supposed to be in our country. You don’t have any statistics for that, but it is just basic, common sense. Now something that is a terrible problem is how many thousands of Americans have been killed in our country by illegal aliens. See generally, http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

          • Everett Daly

            “Just basic common sense”

            Is that the codeword for “I don’t know what I’m talking about, but I’ve got a gut feeling I’m right” or something?

            It doesn’t really matter how many individual cases you post. Since it’s a fact that immigration is correlated with declining crime rates, every crime you show an immigrant commiting only suggests that many more versions of that same crime (per capita no less) have been committed by citizens. If I say “A is bigger than B” and your response is “But B is like 100!”, you aren’t disproving me, you’re only showing that A is in fact greater than 100.

            Furthermore, you’re looking at individual cases and nothing more. I could bring up individual crime cases for litteraly any type of person. White people, for example, can be seen shooting up schools and planned parenthood clinics. Does this mean the current majority all ought to be deported? No, of course not, but you’re going to use a small handfull of data points you think support your completely unfounded case. The fact is you’re using a couple of marbles you personally cherry picked from your sample space just to call the marble jar violent, whereas I’m actually using data taken from the whole jar which proves its less violent than the one we already have.

          • Ronald Humphreys

            You are too ignorant to understand that the murders committed by illegal aliens would NOT have been committed if they were not here in the first place.

          • Everett Daly

            Yeah, but I could say that about pretty much any group of people. For example, massive school shootings would not have happened if there were no white people here in the first place. What do you propose we do to our white population?

          • ronniebray

            Most illegals immigrants hold down jobs, pay taxes, raise their children morally, and work the low-paid nasty jobs that American citizens consider beneath them.

            If all the undiocunmented were to be shipped back to their couintries opf iorigin, not all are Mexicans, then the American produce businesses would flounder and fail.

            Do you want to pay $15.00 for a lettuce and $25.00 a lb for tomahtoes?

          • Gene Harris

            again skewed information as the stats don’t include the Law That They Broke to become an Illegal Alien so if you include that the crime rate is much higher.

          • carlos Javier

            if we count jay walking and pirating movies the crime rate would be 99% so what is your point? You do not want the people whose land you stole to come back to it we got it. brown people scare you we got it. we hear you we just don’t care because your opinions are not facts. Obama has deported more people than Any other president in history and you Right wing nuts still say he is weak on immigration.

          • ronniebray

            Some water is ‘wetter’ than some other water.

            “All animals are equal but some are more equal than others.” -George Orwell – “Animal Farm.”

            Has 1984 come yet?

          • carlos Javier

            how can someone be an Alien in their ancestral lands? Mexican people are indigenous to this continent they are Native americans in every sense of the word. why don’t you go back to Europe?

          • borderraven

            Their ancestors were conquered by a stronger military with better tactics and technology! We have governments, laws, treaties and borders.

          • Everett Daly

            So, because we’re bigger, we’re right? The largest kid on the playground can take all the candy? How moral of you.

          • borderraven

            Conquest happens!

          • Everett Daly

            So would you literally walk up to a kid who’d had his belongings taken, then tell them “conquest happens”? What about other scenarios where force is used to gain resource? If your daughter were to get raped, would you just tell her “conquest happens”? If your family was killed by a stronger family, would you just say “conquest happens”? I’m seriously hoping you don’t have any children.

          • borderraven

            I’m speaking of nations and sovereignty. Otherwise you can go to Hell!

          • Everett Daly

            No, you’re speaking of using brute force to your own benefit. The fact is that every time brute force has been shown to benefit you, you say that it’s “just conquest,” but every time brute force has been used against you, you call it “illegal crime”. That’s a double standard plain as day; you want to be allowed to take, but you don’t want to be taken from.

            You dislike fairness.

            On top of that, I’ve posted statistical evidence in the thread that illegal immigrants are less of a threat than people like you (who openly threaten to use deadly force, unlike immigrants) and you’ve ignored it simply because you didn’t like the truth.

            You dislike proof.

            You want to live in a fantasy land where you can take as much as you want without having to ever give, just like most of the Trump supporters I’ve seen.

          • borderraven

            I’m guessing you are a teenager.

          • Everett Daly

            It would seem the wannabee minute-man has run out of argumentative ammo! You are correct, I am a teenager, and as a teenager I’m guessing you’re going to die first. It’ll probably be a cardiac arrest which does you in, fatass. Have fun down below.

          • borderraven

            I’ll bet you ain’t man enough to serve in the military, but pussy enough to rely on the security it provides.

          • Everett Daly

            Security from what? Most terrorism is domestic nowadays anyway. The majority of problems america faces originate from its own population. Besides, I’m an engineering major, all the equipment a soldier would use to securely protect themself with comes from people like me. On top of that, I’m pretty sure you’d lose a fight with a drone.

            Your service is no excuse to be immoral; you’e still dodging what I’d said. Every time brute force has been shown to benefit you, you say that it’s “just conquest,” but every time brute force has been used against you, you call it “illegal crime”, and you’ve ignored statistics which show immigration lowers crime rates.

            Furthermore, unlike me, Donald Trump is a draft dodger, and he’s talked down to veterans like McCain. Do you even know where your vote goes?

          • borderraven

            Engineering major oooooh! When or if you get a degree join the Air Force or Navy and see the world as you grow up.

          • Everett Daly

            Quite honestly I wouldn’t mind, but in spite of any touring you’ve done you still come off as pretty shortsighted, not seeing past your own personal wants and all. You’re still ignoring all the holes I’ve punched into you after all.

          • borderraven

            Enjoy your personal journey.

          • Everett Daly

            And enjoy being an ignorant self centered bigot for the rest of your life, because I wouldn’t join the military unless we actually needed more troops. Since you seem to like “conquest,” tell me, how does it feel to be beaten down by a “teenager”? You’re still unable to counter any criticism I’ve given. A soldier who can’t defend themself is rather ironic, don’t you think?

          • borderraven

            I joined the US NAVY in 1972 after years of growing up during the Cold War and Vietnam War. I was trained to repair anti-submarine helicopters. I got out 1992 after Desert Storm. Ignorant? Nope, I’m very educated in global security because I’ve been around the globe keeping it secure so shit bag poly wogs like can attempt to insult a Shellback.

          • Everett Daly

            I don’t really care about your glorified TV repairman job; you ignore actual data which shows immigrants lower crime rates. That is, by definition, wilfully ignorant.

          • borderraven

            You are being dishonest when you lump “illegal aliens” under the word “immigrants”. It’s the typical National Council of La Raza (The Race) Communist propaganda I’ve seen since 2005. Illegal aliens are law breakers.

          • Everett Daly

            And yet they still commit less crime than white vigilantes ;)

          • TheGDog

            Don’t be so sure of that Everett. I’m merely cautioning you based on my own personal life experiences and observations. Indeed… while most illegals keep a low profile for fear of getting popped by ‘La ‘Migra”. Along with them come many undesireables that go into a whole bunch of different black markets, such as chop-shops and slangin’ Yay and shit. You’re obviously not going to be familiar with such things yet as your life experiences are just starting. You sound like you got a decent head on your shoulders so remember this phrase “The wise man can learn from even the fool.” In the future… instead of a frontal defensive stance against someone like borderraven… instead take the approach of posing him questions like “Well..Ok… Why do you feel/believe that blahblahblah is True?” Make your rebuttal be/sound of an inquisitive nature. You have to cleverly lead others to reaching the conclusions (you want) by themselves in a non-confrontational way… otherwise it never penetrates, and ya might as well be talking to a wall.

          • Everett Daly

            I don’t expect people like BR to change; I’m just double checking so that I know I’m right to blow him off as an idiot. Part of the reason why I come off that way if because I prefer to use people as a grindstone to actually change myself as opposed to try and persuade them around. I smash my rock against theirs to see which one breaks.

            The problem is that no matter how many I break open, noone else puts fourth data. I don’t need to ask you why you feel anything is true because you’ve said so. In this case, your source is your “own personal life experiences and observations.” That’s not really a large sample space at all compared to the multiple sources in the links I’ve posted, each of which are going to have hundreds of thousands of observations.

            If you make a claim without data, you’re making shit up. That’s literally what it means to make shit up. You can’t go around theorycrafting and improving your way to conclusions; you need mass observational backing, and you don’t have it. You can’t deny my claim because you think the data might not be “trustworthy” when you don’t have any of your own data in the first place. That’s downright anti-intellectual.

            Speaking of which, if you’d actually clicked the two links I’d posted and read them, you’d see that they are trustworthy and were conducted in a fair manner. I mean really, your push against my source is “immigrants avoid the man, and therefore are harder to observe”? It’s not like these reports were made by walking up to immigrants and asking them how much crime they committed, you can actually read the methodology section of each one if you want. Here they are again;

            http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/special-reports/myth-immigrant-criminality-and-paradox-assimilation

            http://immigrationpolicy.org/special-reports/criminalization-immigration-united-states

          • TheGDog

            Very well… you’ve revealed your immaturity, and your great like for throwing around collegiate vocabulary as a means by which to somehow magically make your position on a matter hold more weight than others… if only in your own mind. You’re listing data from a dot org which is not neutral on the matter, hence they will skew or omit data shown to bolster their positions. Therefore that data is of little empirical use.

          • Everett Daly

            The website was not responsible for the direct data collection. It simply showcases reports from multiple other sources. This is the kind of mistake you’ll make when you don’t read anything more than the URL as opposed to visiting the webpage. On top of that, you still have no data of your own, and therefore aren’t doing anything beyond making shit up and theorycrafting. That means my position does hold more weight than yours, because yours is literally fantasy whereas mine relies on a plethora of observations.

          • TheGDog

            Sorry Everett… though I’ve enjoyed your arguments pointing out all the flaws in borderraven’s logic… I do have to point out that ANY “statistics” relating to illegal immigrants and the relationships between their influx and crime rate will inherently be flawed as illegals will do everything they can to avoid interaction with the man, including calling the police. So, if anything we’ve got an influx of more rats into the same sized cage which WILL increase crime together with less reliable reporting of crime. Hence, the *perceived* possible net effect of crime rates appearing lower. Never trust a statistic out-right. You always have to consider how they gathered their sample… who’s funding the study etc.

          • Gene Harris

            I Totally Disagree with everything you are trying to push. I have read many of the threads here and information that you are pushing. Fact of the matter is The United States is a Sovereign country and we Have in place a thing called the Constitution which sets the standard of how laws will be written , approved and enforced. Simply stated Law of the land Rules They broke the law by entering other then stated in the law they Should never receive a free pass for such acts. If you want to live in a lawless country go and find yourself one as there isn’t any. We shouldn’t expect any less from our neighbors then they would expect of us follow the laws and do it right or be punished. At least our Punishments are not as Harsh as some other countries. You wouldn’t allow someone to enter your house at night and remain there for the rest of their life just because they accomplished the task furthermore you sure wouldn’t foot the bill for them doing it you would call the police and have them removed and charged with breaking an entering. This Country is my home and i feel the same about an illegal alien as i do a home invade they are the same thing a criminal.

          • desertpatriot

            @blackhand:
            why don’t you go back to mexico

          • Gene Harris

            You are not providing what he law is you are providing a one sided look at the law here read the law best source of information you can get. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182

          • Everett Daly

            Again, try reading the actual links I’ve already posted twice

            http://immigrationpolicy.org/special-reports/criminalization-immigration-united-states

            http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/special-reports/myth-immigrant-criminality-and-paradox-assimilation

            On top of that, in spite of any “law” you post, illegal immigrants get waived off by presidents of both parties all the time, making them no-longer illegal. The fact is they’re less likely to engage in criminal activity than native citizens. That’s not sour data, you can actually look at all the censuses used.

          • carlos Javier

            it is a misdemeanor not a felony. Speeding is a misdemeanor do you call people who are speeding illegal drivers? why dont you just move to europe then you wont have to deal with the melting pot that is known as America. Love it or leave it you unamerican fuck. better yet go to russia you sound more like them.

          • Dave Monroe

            A “misdemeanor” ( your spelling is not correct) is a crime. And not all speeding is a misdemeanor.

          • Gene Harris

            Actually if you believe that it is acceptable to arbitrarily break the the law then you sir would be the Unamerican individual as we here in america do have morals. Unless we are Demonocrats. A misdimenor is punishable by imprisonment of short specified time periods. DUI reckless endangerment and those fall into that category. Speeding failure to use turn signals are infractions and punishable by fines not generally jail unless you are habitual with them then it’s possible to get more server punishment. Get educated about what your taking about before you start accusing people of ignorant when you are showing your own ignorance

          • Everett Daly

            America was litteraly made through lawbreaking though, and illegal immigrants typically come here out of nessecity, not arbitrary reasons. Besides, if I had to choose between being a good person and simply belonging to America, I’d put my conscience before my nationality.

          • carlos Javier

            Demoncrats ??? sorry i don;t speak idiot. and my idiot to english translator isn’t working today.

          • carlos Javier

            “we here in america do have morals” the morals to drop bombs on babies and carpet bomb Families. the morals to let people die because they cant afford healthcare, the morals to cut medicare , social security , education and welfare. I don’t know what this morality you speak of is. How moral is it to send children back to war zones?

          • jwalters31

            Actually, a misdemeanor can be punishable by anything from a minor fine to not more than a year in jail (most states). A real American would know that each state defines any crime below a federal felony.
            And anyone… ANYONE who uses the phrase “love it or leave it” has completely missed the point of America.

          • ronniebray

            Some troublemakers use the unamerican phrase love it or leave it to demonstrate that,

            “America is the Land of the Free
            Unless YOU disagree with ME!”

            How tragic that they want to be the ones that define America!

          • ronniebray

            Correction: ‘Some’ Americans have morals, by which I take it you mean good ones, and others have morals by which you may ascertain that I mean bad ones.

            People that act immorally are not always illegal ikmigrabnts. The KKK’s hanging parties were illegals but were made up of white Americans whose morals had not caught up with them, and still haven’t.

            Calling people names is not using moral argument but abandoning the path of morality to follow the path of irritated schoolyard bullies. Not that I imply that you are one of those, but your language does deteriorate as you get towards the end of your measured essayette.

            If America is a smoral as you aseem to be claiming, who are all the people on death row and locked up for felonies in the many American gaols and penal; institutions? Did they tunnel in them to enjoy the food?

          • ronniebray

            Carlos,

            You do not understand the cultural and ethnic mix that exists in Europe and has done for more than a thousand years.

            England is not part of Europe, being an islan, but in England you will find such a mixture or=f races that will make your head spin.

            I was born in England and recently had my DNA tested,.

            I have the following race bpood in me:

            British
            Irish
            Scandinavian
            Western European
            Finnish
            Western Russian
            Ashkenazi Jewish
            Italian
            Greek

            And you think I am not the product of a ‘melting pot’?

            Some of my children have [Eastern] Indian, Germabn, Scottish, French blood in them as well as all my contributions.

            Wurope has never been an historic collection of single satates, but a land whose conquerors have imposed their own cultures, languages, and bloodlines by force, by romance, and marriage into the more static ethnic groups that have gathered there for more than 5000 years.

            Please do not minimise the wonderful mixture of peoples that have made up the richness of that part of the world, especially the English, and more particularly Yorkshire’s people.

            There is even Spanish blood in the English datin from the time the Spanish Armada was wrecked on the islan’d rockes and the sailors scrambled ashore in places such as the Fair Isles where they introduced fancy pattern knitting to the locals that is still carried on by their descendants.

            The history of Europe is glorious, bloody, and thrilling.

            Ask anyone that lives in Gibraltar. :)

          • ronniebray

            An immigrant is anyone that moves from one country to live in another. If someone does so illegally they are still immigrants.

            I recommend Alice in Wonderland.

            “When I use a word, it mean exactly what I mean it to. Nothing more and nothing less.” Tweedledum

            Not a good plan for a happy life.

          • borderraven

            Immigrants carry valid documents, but illegal aliens ignore laws. Illegal aliens are deportable. I’m asking Congress to put a $50 bounty on illegal aliens to cover my expenses when I start rounding them up.

          • desertpatriot

            @everett:
            you are young and dumb…

          • Everett Daly

            At least I’ve got actual proof to back my claims, unlike you. If you’re going to try coasting by without any backing, at least get good at coming up with insults. I mean honestly, do you just pick your favorite candidates based on who you think has the coolest (or least-foreign) sounding name? And really, calling yourself someone’s “worst nightmare”? What are you, twelve? That sounds like something out of a goddamed cartoon. Do you go around in your free time thinking up cool nicknames for yourself like “jetblack edgelord” or something in your free time? Or maybe you’ve got a personal diary where you draw pictures of yourself surrounded by eagles and american flags or something.

            You’re a degenerate who ignores evidence.

          • desertpatriot

            @ev:
            the proof i can provide that you’re young is that goofy looking avatar -dude, you look like a total dweeb. get a clue
            as far as dumb is concerned try this one on…
            “What human trafficking and drugs?
            question: do you live under a rock or were you born dumb? i choose the latter

          • Everett Daly

            A goofy looking avatar? Your username (and behavior) sounds like you’re nothing more than a call of duty player, Mr.XxDesertNightmareApplepiePatriot360xX. Again, I actually have data showing that immigrants are less a threat than the native population. I mean honestly, open your eyes; when was the last time a hispanic (or any other immigrant) shot up a school?

          • CJWarnke

            Idiot. It was a couple weeks ago in San Bernadino…

            You demonstrated a complete lack of education of recent events on that one, as well as that you are a partisan shill. Your type of argument does not even belong in daily discourse, only among your other tin-foil-hat wearing brethren, waiting for the mothership to get you, wearing your matching tennis shoes an drinking kool aid.

          • Everett Daly

            Exactaly; one. We were talking about illegals, and again that’s what, one for you compared to how many white shootings? Again, data’s on my side, tin foil man.

          • Chris Knight

            Bad example. That attack was orchestrated by an American citizen and his wife, not illegal immigrants. The man was an American citizen and the spouses of American citizens automatically get green cards. They were both here legally. Also, his argument was based on the fact (and it is a fact) that most Hispanic immigrants who are here illegally abide by our laws. They also put food on your table and are a vital part of our economy. The state of Alabama figured that out a few years ago when they decided to enforce federal immigration laws. The mass exodus of migrant farm workers in the state costed Alabama over $11 billion in revenue that year.Trying to justify bigotry is a lost cause. The facts don’t support your animosity towards other people. If you are so concerned about the fact that they are here illegally, the easiest solution is to change the law, so they won’t be here illegally anymore. Colorado realized that marijuana smokers exist and will continue to exist for the indefinite future. They also realized that those smokers are not evil people who are a threat to everyone else. So, they changed the law to make them not criminals anymore. When people like you realize that our immigration policy is very similar in a lot of ways, we can finally start changing our laws so that they reflect what is best for America. Deporting over 11 million people is not only impractical, it is also definitely not what is best for our country, especially if the only reason to do so is based on bigotry from assholes like you.

          • Dave Monroe

            “Hispanic immigrants who are here illegally abide by our laws”? Really? They are in violation of our laws by being here illegally in the first place. And you advocate changing our laws to fit their needs. Unbelievable.

          • Jim Miller

            Agreed, at Walmart Illegals were BRAGGING how easy is to take “gringos” for a ride, worse yet, the tax free money the illegals send to Mexico EXCEEDS the billions in AID the US gov. gives to Mexico; Legal immigrants we welcome but, Law breakers, thieves and leeches we DON’T.

          • carlos Javier

            Part of the mental disorder known as conservatism makes people immune to facts .

          • samking73

            Illegal immigrants are by definition breaking the law.

          • Everett Daly

            …and crime rates go down regardless, as shown

          • carlos Javier

            So are 90 % of teenagers on the internet. downloading songs and streaming movies. It is impossible to live life without breaking laws especially since there are way to many laws to keep track of . every time you back out of your drive way its a crime. look at your phone in the car crime. change the radio while driving your car crime. do you have tints? anything hanging from your mirror ? stop pretending this is about crime and admit you just do not like brown people.

          • samking73

            90% of all teens? Where’s your proof? BTW, I don’t know about “brown people” in general, but I don’t like illegal Mexicans. My family immigrated here legally, so I don’t think it’s fair for someone to do it illegally. How you like those apples?

          • carlos Javier

            not 90 % of all teens 90 % of the teens downloading music. thats only 70% of all teens http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/11/its-official-america-a-land-of-young-casual-pirates/

          • samking73

            And 90% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

          • carlos Javier

            follow the link.

          • desertpatriot

            @blackhand:
            follow your hand

          • Everett Daly

            That’s your response to data? “I don’t believe in data”?

          • samking73

            I don’t believe “data” if you can’t show me a reputable source. And by ‘reputable’ I don’t mean any of the MS sources anymore. Good Day, Sir!

          • Gene Harris

            if you pay attention to data you would know that statistical data is based off a low overall number of occurrences and generally askewed to the statisticians desired goal. if i wanted to make the general public believe that say warren buffet had a chance of winning the DNC nomination i wouldn’t ask those that support Hitlary or the crossover Socialist Bernie to get the results i desired. sayin 70% of all teens do these downloads is in that same category as the teens i have spoken to have never been physically asked about their download practices. So if your teen is doing it talk to them and they wont be part of your skewed stats.

          • Everett Daly

            So your response to data is to cover up your ears and ignore it? If you don’t trust information itself, tell me, how exactly are you coming to conclusions? If you aren’t going off actual statistics, you’re making things up. If you actually clicked the two links I’d posted in the thread before judging them, you’d see they cross-refference multiple studies, all of which can survive having their methodology judged.

          • ronniebray

            Data results are determined by the sample. Most scintfically collected data is less than 60:78% accurate.

          • samking73

            I do believe that.

          • ronniebray

            Wrong. Only 79.96432% are invented.

          • ronniebray

            The number is not 80%, thaty is scientifically wrong. I read a friend’s tea leaves this morning and they said it was only 79%.

            How do you like them tea leaves?

          • Gene Harris

            Are you really that dense??? If you are intent in breaking the law by all means turn yourself over to law enforcement for proper discipline or better yet join the movement and move to another country without their permission to enter. See what that will get you. Color of skin has nothing to do with it. Assimilating and following the rule of law is where the problem is.

          • carlos Javier

            You have never broken the law? never jay walked never skipped a red light never backed out of a drive way? It is impossible to live life without violating laws. In my city it is illegal to kiss your wife before noon on Sunday. My point is that all of you calling the undocumented illegals because they violate the law are illegals yourselves because you also violate laws.

          • carlos Javier

            assimilating? becoming like everyone else? in a supposedly free country that values individuality. Don’t you see the hypocrisy?

          • ronniebray

            Scots regularly move to England without permission and are only troublesome when the English football team beats the Scottish national team, which is almost every time they play against each other.

            In fact, there is more trouble between Glasgow Rangers fans and Glasgow Celtis fans.

            The same is true of the Irish and the Welsh and the English.

            No brick walls or electrified borders between any of these countries, and freedom of movement without passpots or visas yet the UK and Ireland are at peace. They have even been known to intermarry.

            That’s a model for the USA that a peaceful people can live with and benefit from.

            .
            Israel could learn a lot from the UK.

          • ronniebray

            Some of my children have brown skins, part of their Eurasian heritage.

          • ronniebray

            You use the incorrect tense. Illegal immigrants by definition have broken the law.

          • samking73

            Until they step back across the border they are still breaking the law.

          • Gene Harris

            It just amazes me how many say Immigrants . Legal immigrants have been vetted and followed the legal channel which is what is supposed to happen. Illegals aliens aren’t Immigrants as they have no legal status they broke the law to get here. My understanding is there are a number who are brought here illegally and sold into prostitution /forced labor referring to trafficking we don’t really hear a lot about those type of busts as the administration has cut enforcement of the laws. learn what your talking about before you enter a conversation. Things aren’t what the DNC wants you to believe.

          • Everett Daly

            I can see why you’d find that misleading, but a lot of people shy away from the word “illegal” because it shouldn’t be. Regardless, the data I’d posted uses illegal immigrants and still shows that their prescense is correlated with a decline in crime rates.

          • RAGNAR_MAELSTROM

            Cite your source. And, are you including illegal immigrants in that number?

          • Everett Daly
          • CJWarnke

            Just ask Mexico :P They have a much higher level of enforcement on their border than we do on ours. The left’s hypocrisy in not acknowledging this is amazing to me.

          • carlos Javier

            80% of undocumented people in this country get here by airplane . That wall will have to be very very tall.

          • TheGDog

            “Build the wall”? Sooo…. I suppose nobody has thought about the effect this would have to the many species of land-based animals which need to routinely migrate between the US and Mexico as the seasons change to forage for food.

          • borderraven

            They will evolve as will the people.

          • desertpatriot

            @dog:
            so let me get this straight; saving a few animals, lizards, snakes etc. far outweighs national security?…really?…wtf???

          • TheGDog

            A few? You’re joking, right? And… for how long have all those various critters been doing there thing? How many 100’s of thousands of years? It’s this same short-sighted knee-jerk reactionary thinking that makes dipshits want to try to take away your gun rights… to draw a good analogy.

          • desertpatriot

            @dog:
            it’s the desert…how many “critters” could possibly be affected? and what desert dwellers would be worth saving? -snakes, lizards, scorpions, goats, coyotes, rats etc. get my drift?
            again i ask…what about national security? is that a concern?

          • xaade

            “Bigotry” is a useless term. Anyone that uses the term “bigot” is by definition, also a bigot.

            It’s not the “I win” button you make it out to be.

          • Everett Daly

            You seem to be the one who thinks you have an “I win” button. “He who smelt it, dealt it” is not some instant cop-out you can use whenever you or someone else is accused of something. If someone says “a bigot can’t be president,” they aren’t bigoted for saying so, as it doesn’t mean they have no tolerance for bigoted ideas. It just means they don’t think bigoted people make good decisions, and that they don’t want people like that to run the country. Its no different from saying you don’t want someone stupid to run the country. It doesn’t mean I have a problem with stupid people existing or having ideas or being themselves; it means I just don’t think they should be in positions of power because I discriminate based upon the ideas and character of individuals.

          • ronniebray

            Bigots have often been POTUS. Sad, innit?

          • Bob Gemale

            So, but now you claim to be all super smart, that anyone who doesn’t share your opinion is just stupid and needs to go away so things can go the way you feel they need to go. Thats a whole lot of fantasy

          • Everett Daly

            So your only criticism is that I’m smart? You look like you’re new to the whole writing-thing.

            All I stated that I believed in was that people with bad ideas should not be in positions of power. So, tell me, do you disagree? Would you prefer it if people with bad ideas were given authority instead? Furthermore, who are you to criticize me for combating people who disagree with me? You’ve done nothing but post garbage on the comments of people who disagree with you, typically mimicking them, then complaining when they call your posts illegible instead of countering with something on your own. You’re all attitude, no substance. Feel free to respond with some memetext in quotation marks, since it would seem that’s the best you can do.

          • weequahic

            Cool it. Your previous post said it all, and said it well. Walk off with your head high, no need to feed the trolls.

          • desertpatriot

            @x:
            anyone using attack words like ‘bigot’, ‘racist’, ‘hatemonger’, ‘homophobe’ etc. are dating themselves. these are old words used by a bunch of `60s radicals and old cranky, gray hair pony tailed far-left progressives.

          • xaade

            Yeah.

            I mean.

            If you call me a ‘bigot’, and especially if you also call me an idiot for my thoughts, then you are discriminating against me for my beliefs.

            Therefore, you are a ‘bigot’.

            It’s a useless term.

          • Charles Darwin

            I think you misspoke again. Pretty sure you meant to say that beliefs are idiotic and make people into bigots.

          • xaade

            Ok, so maybe I mean to say that the vast majority of the time, when I’ve seen the word used, the person, in context, was also being a bigot while labeling someone else a bigot.

            Therefore, as commonly used, it is most often exemplifying of some sort of projection.

            Therefore, as commonly used, it is a useless term.

            And I’m not inventing any definition when I point this out. I’m observing the usage of the word and how it makes the word pointless in these conversations.

          • Charles Darwin

            I understand your concern with bigoted people calling other people bigots and I know that it can be very frustrating, but that doesn’t mean they’re misusing the word and that doesn’t mean they are projecting anything; it’s just ironic. That’s it. I also can’t say I’ve seen this nearly as much as you’re implying. Something I would say is much more common is a bigoted person rationalizing why they’re not a bigot which usually stems from some sort of superstition having to do with a guy on a cross who died in a book they didn’t read.

          • xaade

            So you target a belief system to generalize as rationalizing why they are bigoted, in an effort to argue against my point that people that commonly use the term bigot are also being bigoted.

            My point proves itself.

          • Charles Darwin

            A) I never said that behavior is uncommon, only that I don’t think it’s as common as you believe it to be and B) I am not saying that bigotry itself stems from religiosity; I am saying that I think it is far more common for a religious bigot to defend his bigotry using his religion and since Christians are oh so very common, I referenced them as my prime example. Follow? Also (and I don’t usually resort to this sort of nitpicking, but here we go), your points may ring a little clearer if you structured them better, tried harder to avoid painting with broad strokes, and used commas in the right places.

            666
            My point proves Satan

          • xaade

            bigot – discrimination against someone for their belief system.

            “beliefs are idiotic and make people into bigots”.

            Proving my point…

          • Charles Darwin

            That was me (mostly) being funny again. To put it a little more responsibly, I would make the assertion that any dogma is static and in being static it makes those that adhere to it a little, we’ll say, hard to budge. A bigot is someone who is hard to budge because of previous prejudices including, but not limited to, religious dogma. In the scenario in which someone amends their beliefs in order to accommodate new information, they have escaped that tendency toward bigotry, but I think that rarely happens; more often than not, amending dogma is an inter-generational thing within a larger religious body. That said, I don’t think most religious people who do this are ever even aware of the fact that they’ve somehow altered what they believe. They have just managed to rationalize why their own dogma doesn’t necessarily conflict with the new information and that isn’t really the same thing as admitting the dogma is wrong or unfair in the first place.

            So I wouldn’t go so far as to say that all religious people are bigots, just that religion has a tendency to make people lean in that direction because it is a belief system and as such is more strongly subjected to emotional biases rather than critical thinking and empirical evidence. I’m pretty firmly set on that, but I’m always open to the possibility that I’m wrong.

          • desertpatriot

            @charles and xaade:
            gentlemen, as i stated earlier we are dating ourselves with words like ‘bigot’. let’s move on…shall we???!!!

          • Charles Darwin

            Too be fair, some people just say dumb things. That doesn’t mean the other person is a bigot. That just means you said a dumb thing.

          • ronniebray

            Anyone using the word patriot in their handle is someon wrapping themselves in the flag as right wing bigots are wont to do.

            Just my humble opinion.

          • desertpatriot

            @donkeybray:
            who the hell invited you into this conversation???!!!
            just my humble opinion

          • ronniebray

            Silly child. You are not a patriot at all but a coward. I guess you do not understand the First Amendment to the Constitution, hence your asinine question.

            Yopu are nothing but a vagrant opinion trying to sound important, but your criminal history shows what kind of patriot you are.

            Fade out, punk.

          • Charles Darwin

            lol good one

          • carlos Javier

            Really. so if you call a rapist a rapist that makes you a rapist? if you call a thief a thief that makes you a thief? you make no sense. here is the definition how is this a useless term? is is because conservative Embrace bigotry and it doesn’t offend them to be bigots? And before you go there i am not a bigot some of my best friends are conservatives…lmao

            bigot

            noun big·ot ˈbi-gət

            : a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person;especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

          • xaade

            “I’m not a [bigot / racist], some of my best friends are [conservative / black].”

            Mhm…

          • ronniebray

            I know some people that are bigots, but not one of my friends is bigoted or prejudiced. If they were we would have to part company.

            I am not that much in need of being patted on the back that I will acept them into my circle.

            A lyncher is a lyncher no matter how hard and how often he smiles at you and says he likes/loves you. Calling him a lyncher does not make the judge passing sentence of the murderer a lyncher. What absolute twaddle.

            I have morals and standards and values and they are spiritually based on the parable of the Good Samaritan and the Judgement scene of Matthew 25: 32-46, and on other moral values including the right of all men to self determination as long as they do not employ torture and propaganda in the pursiot of their own ivory towered insitutions..

            I feel sorry for those that are bigoted and biased because I know their minds are abnormal and they are virtually incurable.

          • xaade

            The problem is that the word now means that you can’t criticize an ideology, even though it never meant that.

            Now that it means you can’t criticize an ideology, it is meaningless, because if you call someone a bigot, you are criticizing an ideology.

            People have decided that ideologies are an inseparable part of the individual. And therefore think, that if you criticize an ideology, you are placing a measure of value on a person.

            That’s why they feel free to call criticism, bigotry.

            But by the original definition, I am not a bigot.

            As long as you don’t try to take away my rights, I will not criticize you or your ideology. However, certain ideologies are inseparable from a removal of rights, such as religious law that is discriminatory to other religions, one example of which is Sharia law, another example of which is the Middle Ages Roman-Catholic church.

            “as long as they do not employ torture”

            Is cutting off hands for theft… torture?

            You see, I criticize that ideology. That doesn’t mean that if a Muslim were to walk into a bar where I was, that I’d start bashing them over the head. Far from it.

            I also criticize open borders ideology. I think closed borders are fundamental to economic and legal security. If there needs to be a reform of the immigration limitations, then so be it. But open borders is not a solution to the problem.

            Illegal immigration supports big business and votes. Thus, neither party will do proper immigration reform or secure the border. Thus they are not serving the interests of a single constituent… not one.

            So, if I criticize an ideology, that does not make me a bigot by it’s classical definition.

            If that makes me a bigot by its unspoken modern redefinition, then the word is useless, as I demonstrated above.

          • Charles Darwin

            You just said that anyone who calls anyone else a bigot is also, by definition, a bigot. Now you’re inventing definitions to defend yourself rather than just admitting that you phrased something poorly. Why?

          • xaade

            I didn’t invent that definition.

            I’ve observed it being used that way.

            When the vast amount of people that use the term bigotry, also spew comments of hatred, telling people to stfu and die. Or that they don’t deserve to live, or that they should hate themselves.

            That’s also bigotry.

            But at its simple roots of discriminating against someone for their ideology, I have yet to see a modern use of “bigotry” in context where the user of the term wasn’t discriminating against the person they labeled as a bigot.

          • Kerry Howery

            No, that’ not bigotry. That is being hateful, or mean, or just stupid.

            Bigotry would be assuming that Donald represents all rich, middle-aged, white guys with orange hair, and attributing all his negative characteristics and actions to them as a group, and allowing that to influence how you treat them.

          • Ben Calhoun

            BINGO!!

          • Charles Darwin

            Yeah, what Kerry said, bro.

          • desertpatriot

            @ron:
            “…but not one of my friends is bigoted or prejudiced”

            you must have some really boring friends

          • ronniebray

            No doubt because none of thenm are stoners you would consider them boring, but they are all decent, which is somehting you seem not to understand.

            In which desert were you ever a patriot?

          • desertpatriot

            @ron:
            every desert in the world

          • Ernest Allen

            In Call of Duty.

          • desertpatriot

            @uncle ernie:
            please go away and die somewhere soon. thank you

          • Ernest Allen

            It’s soooo boring when your friends won’t join in the black church bombings.

          • Bob Gemale

            me, me, me, I am so noble and kind above the fray. hey, listen to me, I’m so good and kewl

          • ronniebray

            Not vereyone has your hate gene. That is your tragedy. I do not hate you or even dislike you, but I do feel dreadfully sorry for you,.

          • Ernest Allen

            You sound like my father. Born in 1932 in a small town in middle Tennessee and devout segregationist until the day in died in 2005. Next closet Klansman.

          • ronniebray

            I am nothing like your father. I am not and never have been a segregationalist and have only hard feelings for white supremacists from the KKK to the end of the hateful line. You must be thinking of someone else. Try again.

          • Ernest Allen

            I’m sure that you have “black friends”. *Yawn*.

          • desertpatriot

            @uncle ernie:
            you sound like a far-left leaning progressive

          • Ernest Allen

            I’m actually a centrist voting American citizen. Try another tact Hitler.

          • Kevin McGrath

            Oooh! Ernie said Hitler!!! Oooh!

          • Ernest Allen

            If the hood fits…Dylann Roof. How did you get internet access in jail?

          • Ernest Allen

            Adolf Hitler, slow day at the facory? Now run along to your lynching-fish fry.

          • desertpatriot

            @uncle ernie:
            foad

          • desertpatriot

            @ron:
            “A lyncher is a lyncher”
            yeah, and a whiner is a whiner

          • Bob Gemale

            lol “they’re unintelligent (no IQ shaming there, its all good harmless fun) sub-humans, but I still keep them around for laughs lmao”

          • carlos Javier

            Not Mhm. Lol. that is the joke.

          • Andrew Craddock

            And by that definition, Carlos, can you not see your own bigotry toward these poor unwashed conservatives?

          • carlos Javier

            I do not or have not said consevatives don’t deserve their rights because i disagree with them. Not tolerating bigotry is not the same as being a bigot.Stupidity is not a protected right.

          • ronniebray

            Beauty is only skin deep but bigotry goes clear to the bone!

          • Charles Darwin

            Tell that to Faux News.
            See what I did there?

          • Bob Gemale

            “duh Faux News spews duh lol Bushitler duh lol alcohol is worse than weed duh lolz cannabis cures cancer. Anyone who disagrees is a looser (sic) a bigot, an Xtian Faux News reader lolz’

          • carlos Javier

            Oh please not tolerating bigotry is not bigotry that is a logical fallacy conservatives love to make. I have never claimed conservatives are poor dirty people. Ignorance fear and pettiness crosses al social standings.

          • Charles Darwin

            I have

          • xaade

            That’s my point.

            How on earth can you call someone a bigot, and then make a derogatory comment about the person because of their ideology?

            That makes the term pointless.

          • Charles Darwin

            Totally kidding, guy. Way to take the fun out of the comments section. Sheesh

          • xaade

            Poe’s law strikes again.

            Sorry I killed your fun.

          • Bob Gemale

            “xaade is such a loser lololz hey everyone, I own the Web and declare xaade is such a lewser lololz”

          • Kerry Howery

            You do understand that being a bigot is not the same thing as criticizing someone or something?

          • xaade

            Not as far as the majority of people that use the word.

            I know what the definition is, but my point is that most people that use the word are bigots themselves.

            http://jezebel.com/5675725/if-youre-fat-phobic-youre-also-an-ignorant-bigoted-idiot

            “What is the Jezebel obsession with glorifying obesity? Why is being obese the only exception to body snarking? It is beyond absurd and makes no sense.”

            She critiques this statement, yet she ascribes ideas and emotions to it that aren’t there. The author goes on to ascribe “being grossed out” to that comment.

            I didn’t read the other article, so that may exist in that article, but then she poorly quoted the article if that is the case.

            The author reacts to criticism of obese bodies as being grossed out, and tears down that strawman, instead of recognizing that there is a valid frustration with body positivity.

            The same people that support body positivity, go around shaming skinny girls for being bad role models.

            This is the zenith of hypocrisy. And yet the rant continues to get worse. Mostly by misusing the definition of bigotry.

            ——————-
            From the article:

            big•ot (noun): A person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

            Not only is this the wrong definition. It is a projection. This author is obstinately devoted to their own opinions, and treats the subjects with intolerance.

            They make good points, but they also are incapable of seeing that the other person has good points as well.

            “You are treating a group — people who weigh more than “normal” (whatever that is) — with hatred and intolerance.”

            If that is the extent of the definition of bigotry, the term is useless. By that definition, the author is not tolerating the source, therefore also bigoted.

            —————–

            This is the definition

            “a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.”

            In no way is body size a belief system, opinion, etc.

            Therefore, the common use of the word bigot MAKES IT A USELESS TERM.

            ——————–

            “Even if you do know why someone is thin or fat, what business is it of yours? ”

            “If a fat person disgusts you, if you’re afraid of black people, if you’re grossed out by gays kissing, know this: Your intolerance says way more about you than about those who repel you.”

            When you combine those two statements you end up with this.

            If seeing two gays grosses me out, it’s probably because I have a different sexual preference, just as much as a gay guy is grossed out by the idea of being with a woman, and yet I do nothing to make that known, then it’s none of THEIR damn business.

            It’s none of their damn business what my internal reactions are to things. Just as one cannot help being gay, one cannot help their internal reaction to seeing gays.

            So the same thing they are complaining about, is what they are participating in. They just can’t see it because they are so “obstinately devoted to their opinions”.

            ——————

            This is why I’m saying “bigot” is a useless term.

            Not due to its true definition, but due to how the word is being used, and the context of that use imparting a new definition to the word that makes it completely useless.

          • Ben Calhoun

            That is a pretty good breakdown and makes a lot of sense until one realizes that you are confusing ignorance with Bigotry.
            Yes all Bigots are ignorant but not all Ignorants are Bigots.
            ergo; Not a useless term! ;)

          • xaade

            Explain to me how body size is a opinion or belief system, and it will be clear to me how someone can be bigoted against large people.

            You seem to be confused bigoted with discrimination.

          • Charles Darwin

            You could be unreasonably against the idea that fat people can be good people. That’s an opinion.

          • Bob Gemale

            so who is wandering off topic? Thats sew conservative

          • Bob Gemale

            bigot

            noun big·ot ˈbi-gət

            : a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person;especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

            So when you eggheads laughingly quip “Trumpitler” thats sane and rational debate. Mhm.

          • Ben Calhoun

            You are Way out of context, and context is Everything.

          • Bob Gemale

            “bigot

            noun big·ot ˈbi-gət

            : a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person;especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)”

            According to you, your own lessons on morals and ethics is peppered with said bigotry.

            “Conservatives love to make logical fallacies. some of my best friends are under me in sew many wayz lolz”

          • ronniebray

            Sound judgement based on verifiable evidence is not bigotry.

            Bigotry is hatred based on emotiopnal dislike that has no foundation in reality.

          • Ben Calhoun

            If it has four wheels a chassis an engine and seats it is Not being judgmental to call it a motor vehicle. It would however be in the height of ignorance and fear to Hate it Because it is a car.
            Since Bigotry is seated upon a foundation of ignorance and fear
            Why don’t we just call it that? Takes a lot longer to say but is Far more accurate!

          • Gene Harris

            So By Definition every Politician, Political Party and anyone with an opinion is a Bigot.
            The Term Illegal simply means that some act was done which is against the law. So for someone who wants the laws followed and upheld it makes them bad????

          • carlos Javier

            I Am 4th generation american and because of my brown skin and latin name I get questioned by people whose parents migrated here as to the legitimacy of my nationality. You can pretend this is about the morality of following the law but in my experience it is simple bigotry.

          • ronniebray

            Estimado Carlos ,

            Lamento que haya tenido este tipo de experiencias. Existe fanatismo únicamente donde la ignorancia es floreciente .

            Yo también soy un inmigrante , sino porque tengo un acento Inglés [ Yorkshire ] , nadie me reta .

            Espero que podamos vivir lo suficiente para sí Latina cumplir su promesa como la tierra de la libertad , y que incluye la libertad de simplones y fanáticos mezquinos .

          • xaade

            As a white guy, I get questioned by people as to whether I am a racist…. all the time.

            I can’t criticize one person of minority background for their criminal actions without being labeled a racist.

            Is that not bigotry or racism or some other form of discrimination?

          • Charles Darwin

            You’re actually right on this one. You win, buddy.

          • Bob Gemale

            The biggest joke is that countless millions of whites never owned slaves; the majority came to the US after WWI and WWII, went through Ellis Island, legally, assimilated, etc. Not every person of color was “stolen” from Africa, either.
            Its ironic that when, say, Iranians pray five times daily for “death to the Great Satan USA” that this includes every single disabled female minority, too. No bigotry there, eh.
            When Germans sneer about “those fat, uncultured, lazy, uneducated Americans”, they mean every single one, not just the whites.
            Studies show that Mexicans have overtaken the ugly white Americans as the most obese people on Earth. And yet thats accepted is “just criticism” by the good people

          • Bob Gemale

            Po wiw baby. Somebody call carlos a wahmbulance.

            My co-worker came to the US legally; he’s been here for almost 40 years and still can’t barely speak English.
            And he is forever angry that the evil US government “the Illuminati is stealing child support from me! They target all Mexicans!”
            So when you complain about Americans not being all sensitive to your hopes and needs and demands, why bother living here? No paying child support in Mexico. Yay. El Chapo is a hero in Mexico, he hands out money and gifts. Wow

          • carlos Javier

            You sure told me. What it is you told me i am still trying to figure out.

          • Bob Gemale

            yeah, and what you do when your fave idol lies and does bad things. You lapse into generic fanboy mode and deflect like a good fanboy must: “Look what your idol did. You’re such a loser , my idol is kewler than yours”
            We can assume that someone who enters a country illegally, doesn’t pay taxes, has no insurance, has, say, children to take advantage of laws that only benefit them, etc. won’t suddenly obey any laws if given a free ride.

          • http://batman-news.com Joe from Cebu

            Nothing in that definition. fits Trump, but nice try. What part of illegal don’t you get?! Wanting people o obey the law doesn’t make them a bigot.

          • Bob Gemale

            yeah, really. The word xaade is talking about is “bigotry”, not rape, not cheese, not burlap.
            Your attacking him for not to accepting your definition of bigotry with religious zeal, calling him a “senseless conservative”,. is bigotry, just as you described it,

          • bigkahunaron4826

            Ah, there’s the Lenny Bruce excuse – That Joe Louis was a hell of a fighter. Isn’t Willie Mays a great ballplayer. You know, you people can all dance. Look at what you said, “some of my best friends are [conservative / black].” That’s what most right-wing conservatives use as their reason for NOT being racist…and they certainly are! Otherwise, I agree with your argument about calling a rapist a rapist doesn’t make you a rapist. That’s common sense, but borderraven’s excuse is out there (and it should stay there).

          • carlos Javier

            All those big word and still to dumb to recognize a joke. Those words are absurd they are meant to be funny.

          • Troy Frasca

            That is the exact definition of a Liberal.

          • Wally Oyen

            Anyone who uses this false reasoning is, by definition, an idiot.

          • ronniebray

            Use of ‘false reasoning’ is not a definition of an ‘idiot.’

            If it were, then you would be hoist with your own petard for making a false and easily refuted statement.

            ‘Idiot’ is an archaic, seldom used diagnostic term for aomeone

            that is mentally handicapped.

            Those that use it as an insult are never, ever nice or civilised people. Such name-calling is not only cruel but it is also the crutch of the conversational and vocabularic cripple.

          • Bob Gemale

            Lapsing into “grammer Notsi mode, are we? Lets see: deflect, apply a strawman, throw a red herring out there, play grammer Notsi, launch ad hominem attacks, win the Internet, yay.

          • Bob Gemale

            and they need to die, so that the wise, kind benevolent can rule

          • Steve Jernigan

            dee deee dee!!!…That is absolutely funny!!!

          • androphiles

            That’s just another way of saying “I know you are but what am I”. That’s not an “I win button” even to ten-year-olds.

          • ronniebray

            People that use the term ;’bigot’ are not, as you claim without any support, themselves bigots.

            Do you actually believe that those that labelled Hitler’s fascist thugs ‘Nazis’ were in fact ‘Nazis’ themselves?

            There is somehting wrong with your logice, alhtough I accept that you do not understand what it is.

            Sometimes people that define ‘bigots’ are actually lexicographers.

            One size fits all mindsets are invariably ill-informed, misinformed, or not informed. Take your pica.

          • http://batman-news.com Joe from Cebu

            xaade– YES!

          • Charles Darwin

            Just so I’m clear on this, you’re saying that if I call people in the KKK bigots then that makes me a bigot? I’m sure you meant to say something else because that’s just plain silly.

          • xaade

            No, I’m saying that most people that call a group “bigot” because of that groups beliefs, are usually generalizing and derogatory…. which makes them a “bigot” by the common use for the term.

          • Charles Darwin

            I’m confident there are plenty of groups that deserve the label.

          • hzane

            Oh for petes sakes. A real language engineer here.

          • Stephen Jackson

            Net immigration is not down and it was recently stated on the news (NBC no less) that illegal immigration is at it’s highest in years

          • CJWarnke

            Thats a pretty idiotic comment. Immigration is demonstrably higher, and illegal immigration is orders higher than before. Once again, you “folks” take all context out of a comment and demonize it alinsky-style and think you made a point. The fact is, it just shows how shallow and uninformed you are. Here is a clue. READ! COMPREHEND! Try to understand what you are talking about before you remove all doubt of your incompetency.

          • 1SKTrynoskySr1

            My problem with your comment is “who says?” What I see coming over the border shows it to be a lie. This is the same government who tells you they can “vet” people 8,000 miles away and you can keep your doctor if you like him and ISIS is being defeated. At 69 and being politically aware for all but my first 15 years I have never seen anything like this except in Orwell’s newspeak.

          • Bob Gemale

            you claim to speak for America like Bernie likes to do “America is sick of your e-mails” “the Americans have spoken” “the majority of Americans voted for Obama! Twice”
            Sorry, grasshopper, only those allowed to vote, who registered to vote, and who bothered to cast a valid vote elected Bushitler and Osama Obama, not the “majority of Americans”

        • http://batman-news.com Joe from Cebu

          Amen, Borderraven.

        • Ernest Allen

          Normal GOP candidates support the same. However, they aren’t the ones advocating fascism. Next brown shirt please.

          • borderraven

            Fascism conspiracy theory, Really? Give me a break! You have no idea of what fascism is. You’ve yet to experience fascism in the USA.

          • desertpatriot

            @br:
            please ignore uncle ernie; he’s just one of many misguided progressive leftists for which there is no cure

          • Ernest Allen

            And as long as Trump isn’t elected I won’t. It looks like it’s back to your Hitler “Greatest Speeches Albums”.

        • Ernest Allen

          Good leaders don’t call folks who come here legally and illegally “rapists”. Trump fits the classic definition of demagogue. Speaks only in inflammatory sound bites and offers no serious policy proposals. Fits the simpltons who lap it up.

          • borderraven

            Immigrants are not illegal aliens, because immigrants obey laws. Illegal aliens are unknown persons in a country not their own without permission or inspection, no medical screening either. Have you been vaccinated for Chicken Pox or Small Pox?

          • borderraven

            Good leaders ain’t politically correct. Good leaders don’t bullshit around. Good leaders are honest. Rapists, child molesters, drunk drivers, murderers do cross the borders illegally. You are not honorable nor worthy of my giving a fuck over you getting it from an illegal alien.

          • desertpatriot

            @borderraven:
            please try not to take so seriously comments made by uncle ernie. he’s one of many `60s era far-left progressive kooks who are stuck in the past. their time has come and gone

        • devilsdenizens

          Ok…that’s great and all.
          Personally, I’m a bit more concerned of his popular idea of stripping people of civil rights based on religion…..

          • borderraven

            Your civil rights exist under your government. Non-citizens enter the USA with permission of the US President. The President may issue a proclamation ordering any group of non-citizens to self-deport.

      • xaade

        There’s no indication he hates immigrants though.

        That’s projection.

        There’s nothing in those statements that says hate.

        People are assuming it.

        If you want to be logical, you can’t guilt him. You can only guilt the people that want to follow him.

        And you can’t guilt by association. Every politician has an psychopathic idiot willing to follow them.

      • Bob Gemale

        “its time for noble non-career politicians to run the country. All politicians are evil and corrupt”
        “So how about that unpolished non-career politician, Trumpitler”
        “haha silly. We must leave politics to the pros”

      • Kevin McGrath

        How can FDR Era regulations not be in place? Didn’t you piss all over yourself about “DoddFrank”? Who was president when that CURE ALL was passed in a Dem Congress? Frozen wages because of illegal immigration is GOOD!! Got it!

      • http://islesofmyst.webs.com/ Raibeart MacIlleathain

        Hating immigrants is still playing be the rules.

        NO… saying illegal immigration is an act of love–THAT’S playing by the rules.

      • stevereenie

        So now we win arguments by introducing false testimony in the closing argument….

        “Hating immigrants………….” really, you just made that up. Go F off.

    • CarlAfJensen

      If a rich, top elite person like Trump is NOT part of the establishment, who is?

      • Captain Mike Rides

        On the Republican side, since that’s the party we’re talking about at the moment: Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, Andrew McCarthy, Orin Hatch, John McCain, the Bushes, including Jeb, Karl Rove, the Wall Street Journal, the US Chamber of Commerce, Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, etc. etc. etc. It’s the people who are entrenched in D.C. who want to maintain their power, who want to maintain a large, powerful federal government, who like the status quo, and who like to be in charge of picking political leaders. Romney was the establishment guy. McCain was the establishment guy. George Bush was the establishment guy. Bob Dole, etc.

        The establishment likes open borders. They want a guy who will not do anything substantive to stop that. All you have to do is look at how establishment Republicans target a guy like Ted Cruz; they are brutal with him. Look at what McCain has said about Trump supporters – “they’re crazies.” Look at how supposedly “conservative” magazines and commentators have trashed Trump, have jumped on the bandwagon in criticizing him about comments he has made. They don’t like him; they don’t want him; and they are in a panic about why he is staying so popular while their guy Jeb cannot maintain any excitement.

        I’m not a big Trump fan. I’m a Cruz guy. But, the reality of the Hunger Games going on in DC is that Trump is an outsider who is upsetting the plan. That’s just the reality of it, and it doesn’t take too much reading to see it.

        • CarlAfJensen

          Trump is STILL part of the establishment. He is extremely powerful and rich and has only one intention, to fill his own pockets. He don’t care about anything else.

        • Julie S

          I know this may be old comment from months ago, I want to tell you something else about Cruz.. Yet I am not Trump supporter..

          Ted Cruz ( Known as Rafael E. Cruz) served a law clerk to J.Micheal Luttig,a U.S court of Appeals and William Rehnquist, chief Justice of U.S in 1996.

          1997-1998 Cruz worked at a private firm, one of his private firm, one of his duties as a private lawyer to John Boehner.

          Cruz joined in George W. Bush presidential campaign in 1999. Helped him with crafted the VisasH1b2.. After Bush took the office, Cruz served in U.S Justice of Department under Bush Administration for two years.

          Cruz served as a Solicitor General of Texas from 2003 to May 2008.

          From 2008 up to 2013, Cruz worked as lawyer represent for big
          corporation Goldman Sachs and others. Represented them in the hearings on federal commission.

          2013 to now sworn in as U.S senator.. Partly consultant to other current TX Senators.

          After a career of primary government positions, Cruz claims he is an outsider. Seriously?? He has worked for the federal
          government since mid of 90’s among many establishments.. Even Cruz playing the game to pretend he is against them after worked closely with them for years, and will have to find a way to owe them a favor for helping him to land in U.S senate. Cruz won’t be able to get away from his resume closely to establishment.

    • Nop

      “Mexico is intentionally sending over violent criminals.”
      Which is an hilariously stupid thing to believe.

      • Douglas Wible

        Mexico carefully screens who gets to cross the border illegally. This rigorous and elaborate system of vetting insures that only the worst of the worst ever gets near the border. Once they arrive, these agents of kaos both steal a job from an American, and are simultaniously too lazy to perform said job.

        • Frank Underboob

          OF COURSE! Now that you put it that way, it makes perfect sense!

          And well played, Doug. :)

        • https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201653558238253&set=t.640586009&type=3&theater Jon Darcy

          Illegal is illegal Ass ! Try crossing into mexico illegally or any country and see what happens to ya. You’re an ass

      • von_todwin

        But he read information that indicated it!

      • Ken Darby

        How far do you live from the Border with Mexico? I am going to guess, A LONG Freaking way. I live 3 Miles from The Border (Driving Distance)1 Miles as the crow flies, We see the crime, we see the damage, but please, tell me more about how much you know about who is coming here from Mexico, I would love to hear that. That said, we can get to another point, And that is the hilarity of the Liberal mindset,that the concept of Supply and Demand does not affect wages. Sure lets demand $15 an hour when there are 22 people applying for the same job. I’m not saying there is no need for a Minimum wage, but if your level of education is worth $9. Oh well. Because at a certain point, why not install a computer to tell the cook to make them fries/

        • Tim Q

          I guess all the decent Mexicans come to the northern states to work and live out the American dream. We are friends with several of them (and yes, some do overstay their visas making them “illegals”) and not a rotten apple in the bunch.

          • https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201653558238253&set=t.640586009&type=3&theater Jon Darcy

            Yeah we should just drop all laws and let everyone do as they want. What kind of country you trying to live in? soon it will be a mud pit just like the mexicans turned their country into. You’re an ass

          • Ray Weaver

            One person made a point. Another just named-called. One seems intelligent.

        • Frank Underboob

          “Because at a certain point, why not install a computer to tell the cook to make them fries”
          It’s hilarious that some people believe that claim. Even compared to the current minimum wages in the US, computers are so cheap that if the fast food corp’s could use them to replace the workers, they already would.

          • Ken Darby

            Oh so you think all decisions are made in one day? I have friends who live in Seattle. Many, Many businesses are installing computers for orders. Why should someone pay a low skill worker $15 an hour, when they can basically install an Ipad for ordering?

          • Frank Underboob

            You’re an idiot. Your iPad can’t cook & serve a burger. The second that there are robots capable of cooking & serving corporate fast food to the satisfaction of customers, humans will be replaced. The Minimum Wage figure won’t be a factor in that decision.

          • Ken Darby

            Are you just this stupid? No one said machines will replace every one you moron. Sorry you are a loser who thinks you will determine what wages a business owner pays. If I can have a ATM hand me money instead of a teller, It can dam sure tell Sally McBurger Fliper what to throw on the grill

          • Frank Underboob

            You’re the moron claiming that the burger flippers will all lose their jobs if minimum wages go up.

          • Ken Darby

            Please show me where I said All? You are an Asshat! No wonder you are insane about raising the Minimum Wage. It would be the only way a moron like you could ever get a raise. You cannot even read. Wow, bet you have a name tag at work..lol..

          • Frank Underboob

            You obviously know literally nothing about how fast food, or hell, how business in general works. You claimed that that the cashiers would be replaced with iPads if minimum wages went up. Those cashiers make the burgers as well, you moron. They also do the cleaning, the stocking, & every other job in the place. Let’s see you replace all those jobs with iPads, you clueless fucktard.

          • desertpatriot

            @frank:
            chill my man chill

          • Frank Underboob

            Go fuck yourself, kid.

          • desertpatriot

            @frank:
            bl@w me

          • Frank Underboob

            Go ask your mom. She’s pretty good if you slap the cig out of her mouth first.

          • Ken Darby

            LOL. Well I guess we know what you do! Listen you inbred Homo, I have owned 3 businesses, all of which I sold for a nice Sum, and run one now. I guarantee you are making minimum wage.. I feel so much better that you are a freaking loser trying to lecture me on business? Yeah. Not! So sit the Fuck down son, I can buy and sell your loser ass 9 times and not even notice the Lose! You are nothing but a grown adult who still works a kids Job. The last time I made minimum wage was when I was 16. Oh, wait, Except when I was in The Marine Corp, and I was working basically 24/7. And Sorry Bitch, your burger flipping ass ain’t worth the mud on a Marines boots. Enjoy that miserable life you loser D-Bag! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

          • desertpatriot

            @ken:
            well said!

          • Frank Underboob

            You sure get excited when you lose an argument, kid.

          • Ken Darby

            How did I lose? And by the way, I won before the conversation started. I don’t need to demand a they raise Minimum Wage like you Loser! Now get my fries bitch

          • Frank Underboob

            LOL. I’ve never worked minimum wage in my life, kid. I’ve managed lots of people like you, though. It’s so funny when idiots think they understand economics & technology. Here’s a tip: You don’t.

          • Ken Darby

            Kid Huh? You know not a F-ing Thing. Are there ATM’s. Hmm they replaced most Tellers. How do I pay my tab at many restaurants. A Card reader on the Table. You either don’t understand technology, or you are desperate. You whole argument is a Circle Jerk! And listen Kid. I have a Net Worth of $1.24 Million . That’s Net Son. So STFU you silly little Child!

          • Frank Underboob

            LOL. ATMs don’t cook food, son, & neither does the card reader on your table. I know you idiot Yanks are really proud of getting portable card readers, but the rest of the world has had them for more than a decade, kid, & guess what? – My country has a minimum wage of about $20/hour, & there are plenty of jobs for waitstaff & burger-flippers.

          • Ken Darby

            Dude, WOW, The Stupid in you is Strong. You cannot even read. I have stated several times, that technology will not replace cooks, etc, so, once again, your whole conversation is a circle Jerk of stupidity. I guess we know now why you profile is blocked. Now make my fries bitch

          • Frank Underboob

            Liar. Here are your exact words, Mr Dumb-Cunt: “I’m not saying there is no need for a Minimum wage, but if your level of education is worth $9. Oh well. Because at a certain point, why not install a computer to tell the cook to make them fries/”
            I’ve since pointed out that the same people who make the fries take the orders, so your ‘argument’ is completely pointless.

          • desertpatriot

            @ken:
            good comeback!

      • https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201653558238253&set=t.640586009&type=3&theater Jon Darcy

        Hey ass don’t you know about all of the gangs and prison inmates flooding america? do some research ass

        • Ray Weaver

          You might want to do something about that keyboard Tourette’s syndrome that keeps inserting “ass” in your responses every few words. Or you could just type “ass” over and over again without any other words and be just as coherent.

        • Frank Underboob

          “all of the gangs and prison inmates flooding america”
          HAHAHAHAHA!
          It’s already illegal for convicted felons to enter America, you idiot.

          • Matt Dinsmore

            How is it illegal if you do not enforce the laws. And of course the liberal name calling comes out

      • Matt Dinsmore

        And of course you don’t back your empty statement up with any facts

        • Frank Underboob

          I don’t see any facts in your comment, racist.

          • Matt Dinsmore

            Unlike most sheep in this country I could care less if I’m called a racist with or without reason. Learned at a young age that you won’t agree with everyone so stick to your principles and those that are like minded will find you. Unfortunately those that are immature childish, racist, and intolerant will also find you. I don’t need to throw insults because if the shoe fits…wear it!!!!

          • Frank Underboob

            At least you admit that you’re a racist, racist.

      • tomte

        If there’s a big country to the north with wide open borders, why not rid yourself of your most violent criminals by encouraging, or in various ways facilitating their journey to the U.S.?

        • Frank Underboob

          You mean like how the USA is doing that to Canada? Oh no, wait, actually you are a fucking retard.

          • tomte

            Ohhh… insults right off the bat.
            A bit sensitive there, Frank, in the face of an opposing view.

          • Frank Underboob

            Honey, you’re the one being sensitive – I’m merely pointing out that your views make no sense.

          • desertpatriot

            @frank:
            chill my man chill…and clean up your act while you’re at it

          • Frank Underboob

            LOL. Go fuck yourself, little boy.

    • Everett Daly

      Firstly, the article didn’t say “never over 12%,” it said “never over 30”. You mixed up some numbers.

      You could say that Trump is different from your typical politician, but I could just as easily say a Nigerian scam is different from a typical email. That doesn’t make it any less of a scam, so it’s a moot point. Furthermore, as counterculture as he might seem, he’s just trying to appeal to that percentage of Americans who think they’re “too enlightened” to ever be politically correct, even when it’s useful behave that way. Candidates with standards are the reasons why democratic debates are actual debates, while republican debates are just storms of insults being thrown around. Besides, America’s been pretty bigoted since its conception; his “say things that are and/or look racist and/or sexist” act is nothing new.

      • ponymanr

        “Candidates with standards are the reasons why democratic debates are actual debates”……….that’s why they schedule them late on saturday nights, when the audience will most likely not be watching. They don’t want anyone to watch, it is an instant replay of the last 7 years. This one in the Oval office now has nearly ruined this country, with his division of the of every single group of people he possibly can. Divide us and they have more control. More immigration from mexico and europe means more Democratic votes. He has done nothing about ISIS except refrain from going after them, He has all of our previous allies in the world wondering where we stand, and I don’t think it is just because he is an idiot, I believe his efforts to destroy this country is a reflection of his dislike for America. Can you tell me 1 thing he has done that actually is to the benefit of this country?

        • Everett Daly

          Have you seen the price of gas? Have you seen Bin Laden’s grave? Oh, and remind me; how many world trade centers fell down on Obama’s watch again? None, because he doesn’t go invade middle eastern countries for oil like the president before him did.

          You’re just slinging around buzzwords like “they’re dividing us” as though you had substance. I mean really, if you’re going to try and call someone a dividing force, Trump should be the first person you go for. He’s singled out people of islamic faith (when the odds of being killed by a white are significantly higher for the average american) and spoken of mexican immigrants as though they were criminals sent over by their own government to sabotage us or something (when immigrants have a lower crime rate than individuals born in the US). He lies constantly because he knows if he attacks enough minorities he’ll be able to appeal to a large amount white republicans. He barely even talk about issues compared to other candidates, he just slings insults around about their faces throughout the debate, then whenever the spotlight’s on him, he goes “America! Apple pie! Fuck yeah!” to get a cheer out of idiots who think America is some kind of football team to just cheer for as opposed to an actual country.

          • Jim Mooney

            “..because he doesn’t go invade middle eastern countries for oil like the president before him did.”

            Except for Libya and Syria ;’) How do you think ISIS got so big? Major support from the US, Saudi Arabia, Quatar, and Turkey. Although you won’t read that in our censored MSM. Now,after a year of bombing the desert and somehow “missing” ISIS convoys so big they were visible from space, the US is putting up a pretense of throttling its own child.

            This has always been about a gas line through Syria – freedom and humanitarianism? Hah! Pure MSM bilge. The “responsibility to protect” has turned Libya from a prosperous, well-educated nation, with Western-style culture and freedom, into an impoverished Islamist hellhole roamed by genocidal maniacs. Then, that failure under his belt,Obama went on to Syria and the Ukraine, fomenting secret war.

          • Everett Daly

            Obama’s done as much as he can to keep our troops off the ground and used drones when appropriate. If it really was oil looting (as it essentially was with Bush) we would have seen gas drop far earlier.

            If you think the entirety of Libya and Syria were paridises prior to intervention, quite frankly, you’re nuts.

          • Jim Mooney

            And you’re an asshole for going Ad Hominem ;’)

          • Everett Daly

            I certainly go there less frequently than republican candidates ;’)

          • xaade

            So, when a liberal President invades, it’s ok because it wasn’t a paradise before? He’s helping the poor people.

            By that argument, we were right to kill Saddam.
            Mass human graves and what-all.

            Are you not aware that drones in Syria have killed about as many bystanders as soldiers in Iraq?

            Funny how liberals can be so double-faced.

          • Everett Daly

            I didn’t say drones didn’t have fault, but that Obama’s been comparatively more hands off than his predecessors. It’s an entry, but it’s certainly less of one. And we absolutely were right to kill Sadam once we had the chance, I’m not saying he deserved mercy; it’s just that going in in the first place was a mistake. It’s not a double standard because those situations are far less comparable than you would seem to believe. If you want to believe Libya and Syria were oil scams like Iraq, you certainly can, but I didn’t see the left cook up any WMD conspiracies or anything of the like. But please, feel free to continue on with your “this is that” strawman.

            Furthermore, that’s besides the original point; I was asked to name any amount of good things about the Obama presidency. Even if I were adamantly against all interventions in general (which I’m not) the initial person I was responding wasn’t just asking exclusively about that.

          • xaade

            Except there was a point to Iraq, which was to build a stable presence.

            There’s nothing for us in Syria or Libya. Not even something malicious like oil. It’s literally just the Cold War siblings playing sides.

            In Iraq, we had a chance to support moderates. In Syria, we know damn well the power vacuum will be so strong it’ll likely implode, create a black hole, and spawn another dimension.

            1. Obama has no good reason, not even a shady reason, to be in Syria.
            2. There is negative chance something good will come from it. Iraq had a sliver of a chance. If you thought Iraq was stupid, YOU SHOULD BE BURYING our actions in Syria. You have less justification to be there.
            3. There is not enough strength from moderates to gain anything. Putin is right on this one.
            4. It’s just a Cold War piss fight.
            5. And ignoring all of that. OBAMA BYPASSED CONGRESS to do it.

            Bush got congress to vote on it.
            Obama claimed unilateral foreign policy on Libya, Syria, and Iran. And the liberals in Congress say it’s treason to go against Obama.

            I don’t care how right he thinks he is, or even if he’s right at all, that’s a damn dictatorship.

            So, yeah, you’re right, they’re nothing alike.

            I’m going to challenge you to pick up some history books. Read on the Cold War (it never ended). Read on the history of our involvement in the Middle East (it goes back decades before you were a twinkle in an eye). Read on how America has engaged in foreign policy in the past.

            When you gain enough wisdom from that, come back and tell me who’s who and what’s what. Obama is either full on idiot, or he’s purposefully creating bad situations for us.

          • Everett Daly

            Oh, a point to Iraq? A stable presence to find WMD’s, right?

            “I THINK my neighbor might have a nuke in their basement, so I’d better go grab my gun and check. And you know, while I’m at it, I think I’ll take a sip of their beer.”

            Politicians couldn’t even maintain a stable presence with the american public using that weak pretense.

            And a “Negative chance” something good would happen? You do know how probability works, right? In a real, practical setting, there’s no “negative chance” my die lands on a one. But hey, feel free to claim I’m the uneducated one.

            At least your sources are well cited, right? Putin is definitely someone we all ought to agree with; I mean, if Putin says here’s nothing to gain, that clearly must be the case.

            As for going over congress though, I couldn’t care less; overpowering something to do what’s right doesn’t revoke your righteousness. Regardless of how good you think the decisions Obama made were, it’s not a matter of how much permission he had, it’s a matter of whether or not it was a good call in the first place, so stick to that.

            But what’s this you’re saying about our middle eastern involvement going back “decades before” I was a “twinkle in the eye”? Using my age as a reference point? Could it be that I’ve provoked you enough as to spur you on into actually looking through my facebook page?

            As for telling me to educate myself, that’s real rich coming from someone willing to downplay liberal ideology. How supportive of education are republicans again? Oh, right, your guys just throw in policies like “no child left behind” (or rather, “no child learns a thing”) to get children through school as quickly as possible with minimum curriculum, whereas it’s the left who wants to get as many people into college education since, unlike the right, it actually benefits from having a more educated populace.

          • xaade

            So, now you’re supporting war in Iraq just to make war in Syria seem reasonable? What a 180…

            Negative chance, it’s just my colorful vocabulary. I mean to say that the only outcomes are bad, so there is no chance, meaning a 0 chance, which in statistics still allows for possibility for good to come from it.

            What are you talking about citation. I don’t need any. All of the information is here in this thread. And you haven’t provided citations either.

            “because he doesn’t go invade middle eastern countries for oil like the president before him did.”

            No, he just goes and invades for even less of a reason, and you’re supporting it.

            Please remind me why you are supporting attacking Syria. Because it’s the right thing to do? I wonder what people would have said if Bush used that excuse.

            You’re just playing into confirmation bias. You already like Obama for whatever reason. Maybe you’ve only heard or seen or been expressed good ideas about liberal mentality, that you’ll just nod your head for Obama…

            Apparently, literally no matter what Obama does.

            And you’ll disapprove a Conservative, literally no matter what they do.

            This is naive. I don’t approve and disapprove solely on party lines; you shouldn’t either. It only makes you a hypocrite.

            “going over Congress, I don’t care… righteousness”

            Do you understand why there are checks and balances? Do you know history? Do you know how dictatorships are formed? Do you know that Cuba’s dictator started out as an anarchist? Do you know that Hitler originally took a lower position than national leader, so he could redefine a new position of power? Do you know why Rome was weakened to the point that they were easy to burn?

            “Using my age as a reference”

            That point applies to both of us. It means you are to pick up a book and read about history and learn from it.

            “into actually looking through my facebook page”

            I don’t have to. I don’t even need your icon picture. I can tell from your arguments and understanding of history and naivete, that you don’t have much wisdom. And age has nothing to do with that.

            “willing to downplay liberal ideology”

            Is it above criticism?

            “policies like ‘no child left behind'”

            1. False dilemma.
            You mean to say that if I disagree with war in Syria, I have to agree with ‘no child left behind’.

            Google search False Dilemma, and other fallacies of logic. You’re creating fallacies back to back.

            2. You’re right, I disagree with the policy. But previous to ‘no child left behind’ we had ‘children left behind’, which meant they simply dropped out of school without a GED.

            How do you think these children will make it through college? They’re going to just drop out of college. In fact, drop out rates are high among students that we allowed into college with less strict admission policies. College for all is going to fail as hard as ‘no child left behind’ because it fails on the same premise. That every child will somehow magically produce self-motivation out of thin air.

            3. It won’t actually increase education level any more than ‘no child left behind’. It’s only going to devalue a college education, the same way ‘no child left behind’ devalued a GED.

            How can you not see that it’s the same policy.

            You’re only bashing ‘no child left behind’ because it came from a conservative. Not because of its flaws. Which is clear, because you are supporting another education policy that’s pretty much the exact same thing.

            I’m done having this conversation.

            Your nod of approval is solely based on party lines, and you’re incapable of realizing that fact.

            Come back in 10 years, when you’ve realized that there’s more in common between the two parties than there is in contrast. And when you’ve realized that I don’t have to make my arguments and approvals on party line.

          • Everett Daly

            Where in the prior comment did I support Iraq? The section in quotes was making fun of the charade. A charade that only the Bush administration tried throwing up. If you’re going to go google up formal logical fallacies like you oh so clearly are, you ought to know what the Argument from Ignorance is. Unlike Bush, the Obama administration was up front about entering foreign countries instead of using the “well we don’t know there isn’t a bomb!” line, which is a definitive improvement on their part. On top of that, we’ve suffered way less damage in contrast to Iraq, further reinforcing that it was better executed. I’ve pointed this all out multiple times, but you ignore evidence and claim bais because that’s all you’ve got going for you.

            The line about citations wasn’t implying that I required a reference from you, but rather making fun of the fact that you seem to see Putin as credible.

            No, I didn’t use a false dillema. I’m not saying “if you disagree with Syria, you agree with NCLB,” I’m saying if you vote republican, you devalue education, hence why it’s hypocritical of you to claim others ought to educate themselves. You can say you disagree with NCLB all you want, but if you’re willing to elect people who support it, you, by extension, essentially support it yourself.

            “College for all” isn’t going to “devalue” education, because it’s not “passing for all,” unlike NCLB. NCLB had numerous other faults such as overvaluing standardized tests, etc. My criticism has nothing to do with the party it came from, but rather, its own nature. You’re just screeching “confirmation bais!” because you seem to dislike one party.

            “Do you understand why there are checks and balances?”

            I do; but if someone says “you aren’t allowed to do the right thing” are you just going say “hey, better not do it then!” ? Of course not, and besides, you can’t say “it was against the law!” if noone was demonstrably able to actually use the law against him. Considering we’ve had democrats get thrown out of office for getting blown, you’d think that if the president did something illegal, he’d actually get in serious trouble for it.

            And what’s this supposed to mean;
            “”Using my age as a reference” – That point applies to both of us. It means you are to pick up a book and read about history and learn from it.”

            You know that the point I was making was that you were using my age as a numeric reference, and thus knew my age, right?

            And furthermore;
            “I don’t even need your icon picture. I can tell from your arguments and understanding of history and naivete, that you don’t have much wisdom. And age has nothing to do with that.”
            Then why make fun of age in the first place, “wise guy”?

            You’re clearly tongue-tied. But hey, feel free to flee.

          • Matt Dinsmore

            Have you seen bin Laden’s grave? Female Pakistani prime minister was assassinated for leaking that bin laden was killed in an airstike in 07. Have you heard about San Bernardino massacre, Texas shooting and so on( same as the towers) and the price of gas has absolutely nothing to do with Obama. We invaded Iraq because he was slaughtering his people and wmd. Before you open your stupid mouth they were found in the al anbar provence and the rest went to Syria.

          • Everett Daly

            We found chemical WMD’s that the US had personally given them. I don’t see how what you’re saying about the minister is relevant; Bin Laden died on Obama’s watch. There was no leak, don’t believe in things just because they sound cool or outlandish. That’s how you get turned into a Trump supporter. Obama has personally tried to push legislation to pervent shootings, and has been opposed by republicans constantly, and those aren’t really comperable to 9/11, so you’ve got no card to play there. Finially, yes, the price of gas is affected by who’s in office, I don’t even have to explain that one.

          • xaade

            Obama has pushed for background checks on gun sales.
            We have background checks on gun sales.
            Those do nothing.

            Of the latest shootings, there is not a law on the books or a law sitting in Congress that would have changed the exchange of guns to prevent shootings.

            Most of the child shootings were caused by stolen guns. The walmart shooting was someone taking a gun from a sales display and ammo from the next aisle.

            Please demonstrate how a stronger registry and more background checks would have prevented that.

            The only way to “reduce” (because you can’t prevent) is to criminalize the ownership of guns, which violates constitutional rights.

            “We found chemical WMD’s that the US had personally given them.”

            And there were sanctions against chemical WMDs.
            The source of them does not matter.

            If they had WMDs, they were supposed to destroy them.

            And they didn’t.

            They dismantled them and moved them across their border while UN was being told to wait, sitting at the front door.

            And if none of that is true, which is the common argument, that Bush lied about the WMD, it destroys your arguments anyway.

            I don’t get what you’re trying to do, other than create inconsistencies so that you can support Obama’s wars.

            8 years ago you would have been condemning Bush’s wars, but now that Obama has done worse than Bush, you find yourself having to give good evidence for the war in Iraq.

            Please….

            Just stop….

            It’s hilarious.

            The hypocrisy is hilarious.

            You’re so far backed into a corner you’re constructing arguments you don’t believe, so that you can hold your irrational and frail position together as it’s crumbling like a Jenga tower.

            Do you not realize that even the Democrats in Congress hate Obama? Because he lied about what he was going to do?

            The only reason they continue to “support” him is because he’s a Democrat….

            I’m throwing pearls at swine here. He’s incapable of understanding how his arguments are complete paradoxes.

          • Everett Daly

            “Obama has pushed for background checks on gun sales.
            We have background checks on gun sales.
            Those do nothing.”

            Because they’re bad background checks which aren’t as through as most democrats would like. If these were all of what Obama intended, he wouldn’t still be pushing for more. They basically ask you “are you insane? yes/no” then hand you your right to deadly force. What we need are tests and checks as thorough as what you’d see in the automobile or medical industries, checks which not only check to see how safe it is to give you a firearm, but how well you can keep the weapon you are purchasing out of the hands of others.

            “And if none of that is true, which is the common argument, that Bush lied about the WMD, it destroys your arguments anyway.”

            So wait; you’re downright willing to admit that none of your argument has to be true in order to “destroy” my argument? But I’m the one with bais?

            “Do you not realize that even the Democrats in Congress hate Obama? Because he lied about what he was going to do?

            The only reason they continue to “support” him is because he’s a Democrat….”

            Doesn’t that mean that I’d dislike Obama if I just had a liberal-party bais? You seem to be the one crumbling here.

            “And there were sanctions against chemical WMDs.The source of them does not matter.”

            Yeah, you’re just missing the point. Those were things which we had kept perfect track of, and obviously not what bush was insisting was there. If we were just looking for chemical weapons, why have so many measures been taken to hinder nuclear development there?

            Honestly, you didn’t even point out a hypocrisy. You didn’t even try to point out a hypocrisy, at best you tried to claim that I was merely wrong rather than actually highlight a contradiction of any sort. You’re literally just using it because it’s a long word. Is that a “long-word” bais?

          • xaade

            Even if Bush was wrong. He went through Congress, used the correct channels.

            Obama is using unilateral foreign policy control, effectively making him a dictator on foreign policy.

            http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/09/25/351433505/obama-has-support-for-syria-strikes-but-are-they-legal

            Obama has no legal basis for war, but by classifying it as counter-terrorism, he can do what he wants.

            Bush’s actions were classified as war and labeled a war criminal when his actions were voted for.

            Obama has ZERO justification. None. And yet you support him, while criticizing Bush. When the same justifications you use for Obama’s war, can be used for Bush’s war (removing a tyrant).

            This is your hypocrisy.

            You’re holding Obama to a lower standard, because he’s righteous???

            Where’s all the “don’t get involved” “don’t invade” rhetoric used against Bush? Where’s all the “you’re creating more terrorists” rhetoric?

            Oh, it’s still only applying to conservatives….

            “rather than actually highlight a contradiction of any sort”

            I’ve highlighted it 5 different ways, and you continue to rant on tangents.

            You are incapable of analyzing yourself. Completely incapable. You create contradiction after contradiction, arguing opposite points over and over in this thread.

            And it’s all because you solely support someone on the basis of their party.

            When the Democrats disagree, you have to argue opposite points and contradict yourself, because to you, a person is right if they’re a Democrat and wrong if they aren’t.

            That’s your hypocrisy.

          • Everett Daly

            It’s not just that Bush “should never get involved ever,” it’s that he did a bad job and therefore made a bad descision. Believe me, if I’d had a “Kill Saddam” button, I’ve pushed it if there wasn’t a price, it’s just that I don’t support going about that goal in a foolish manner. You just don’t seem to get it. If someone rides their bike down a hill and falls on their face, it was a bad idea. If someone rides their bike down a hill and doesn’t, it was at least an okay one. That’s the standard both parties are being compared to. The Bush administration:

            A) Deliberately threw out fallacious statements about “unknown unknowns” to fool the populace.
            B)Had far more troops on the ground in harms way
            C)Needed to wait for a democrat president to actually finish Bin Laden
            D)Needed to wait for a democrat president to actually pull out

            That’s lying and having someone clean it up for you. The Obama administration, on the other hand:

            A)Didn’t lie or deliberately mislead the public about entry
            B)Actually finished far more of it’s own goals in spite of having to clean up the mess of president’s past
            C)Obviously did a better job of keeping troops off the ground

            The latter set of points definitely sounds less comparable to falling on your face, and therefore his decision is a good deal more justified. But you’re going to call out “bais!” because I’m not as “extremely-moderate” as you claim to be.

            Again, I’m not holding a double standard; if Bush were to cut himself with a knife and I were to call him out for it, it wouldn’t mean I have oppose all the knife usage of other presidents, especially when they can demonstrably use the tool properly. I can tell a five year old that it’s a bad idea for them to drive a car without condemning all automobile users.

          • xaade

            “it’s that he did a bad job and therefore made a bad descision”

            It is a fallacy to judge a decision from a moment in time due to the results. If you make an investment strategy that doesn’t work in 2001, it might work in 2010.

            1. There is no indication that he lied. The same result could be from poor information. There were people that wanted Saddam gone, therefore it’s not unreasonable to recognize that information from locals was overstated. The attempts to get UN to check these places was not satisfactory, with them being told to wait inordinate periods before beginning the check. I’m more worried about the information gathering and fact-checking than actual lies. Don’t blame malicious when ignorance is at play.
            2. You need troops on the ground. Drones are indiscriminate, and the locals are far more frustrated with drones, and they indicate a higher collateral damage. Also, the military seems to be far more frustrated with Obama’s strategy, from the leadership on down to the people who would actually be boots on the ground.
            3. There was no complete pull out strategy because there was never going to be one. We were supposed to make ourselves ever present in Iraq. It’s the politicians that kept talking about a pull out strategy, at which point Bush indicated a time period for less presence, but not zero presence. Supporting a local force takes time, and as soon as we pulled out, they no longer had the support they needed to defend Iraq properly. The left’s politicians kept pushing a false pull-out strategy because they just despised Bush and despise conflict. It had nothing to do with effectiveness. It was anti-war rhetoric. And when we pulled out, creating a power vacuum, all they could do was blame Bush for the result.
            Are you aware that we stationed in East Europe after the last time Russia invaded a country? We are stationed around the world, and for the most part, no one hears about it. Our presence around the world is a necessity to maintain relations.
            4. Syria is not an ally. There is no reason to be in Syria. The entire time Bush was in office, the liberal rhetoric was “Don’t Engage. Stop Invading. Leave them Be”. Now you want to reverse all that. Obama has made a mess of Syria. How can you possibly say… I’m not even going to go into this, because once again, your bias is showing.

            You’re just unable to criticize Obama. It has nothing to do with strategies or outcomes.

            I can criticize both.

          • Everett Daly

            It’s not judging “after the fact” per se; it’s that Obama moved in because he had the proper equipment and planning to do so (as proven by his comparative success), whereas Bush did not have any of those things before entering (as proven by the given faults).

            -and no indication that he lied? “Unknown unknowns”? The right was deliberately spouting fallacious logic. Do I need to bring up clips of Rumsfeld’s rhetoric? It’s not a direct lie but it’s an obvious ruse; someone who has to argue for a living is going to know that “We can’t prove it ISN’T there” is logically fallicious, it’s obviously a gimmick.

            Why are you just okay plainly typing out that there was “no pull out strategy” for Iraq? That’s a pretty major fault.

            The liberal rhetoric of others doesn’t apply to me personally, weren’t you the one talking about “false dilemmas” earlier? Just because I’m critical of Bush, I have to be critical in the exact same way as some liberal strawman? We’ve been over this; killing Saddam was not a bad objective, it was simply a bad idea to follow it without any forethought. Someone like Bush should not have been given control over something like that.

          • xaade

            Ok.

            As an exercise.

            Tell me three things Obama has done wrong.

            “Why are you just okay plainly typing out that there was “no pull out strategy” for Iraq? That’s a pretty major fault.”

            There was no complete pull out strategy. One of the goals was to establish a presence in the Middle East.

            https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSkM7QXVLmUYCmikkrgql6IvABSqT68W_GDoMkzgwFOKc2_CrKV

            Look at that…. we’re now in Iraq.

            We never pulled out. Obama didn’t pull out.

            “pull out” is rhetoric used by the left.

            “An American-led intervention in Iraq started on 15 June 2014, when President Obama ordered US forces to be dispatched to the region, in response to offensives in Iraq conducted by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL). American troops went, at the invitation of the Iraqi Government, to assess Iraqi forces and the threat posed by ISIL.[103]”

            “On 8 April 2015, Iraqi forces, building on their advances in the Saladin Governorate, launched an offensive to liberate the Anbar Governorate from ISIL occupation, beginning with an offensive in the region around east Ramadi, backed by Coalition aircraft.[178] In retaliation, ISIL executed 300 people in the western Anbar Province. It was also reported that 10,000 Sunni tribal fighters would participate in the Anbar offensive.[179]”

            Look at where we are now. We have access to Syria and Iran that we didn’t have before.

            They’re doing the same thing. It’s not directly about oil. It has and has always been about presence.

            The only thing Bush did was leverage 9/11 to have an overt visible battle.

            You’re naively falling for the rhetoric. Obama is acting exactly the same as Bush, just using different rhetoric. And you find all these reasons to not like what Bush did, but you haven’t stopped praising Obama.

            Why do you think Congress hands off power to the opposing party on the election cycle prior to the Presidents end of second term? Why do you think Presidents hand off power to the opposing party at the end of their second term? Why do you think, towards the end of the second Presidential term, the party in power complains about their party not acting on behalf of their constituents. Why do you think amnesty and gay marriage was the last thing on Obama’s agenda.

            So I repeat

            As an exercise, demonstrate to me that you can criticize Obama.

            I already gave you two that line up with your favored rhetoric. Obama waited too long to address homosexual marriage and amnesty. There’s two… what’s one other.

          • Everett Daly

            “As an exercise”? What? Don’t fooled into thinking I’ll degrade myself by meeting your demands; in the presence of liberals I’m more than willing to play devils advocate, but I’m not going to join in on the “extremely moderate” circlejerk you so desperately want to see. Trying to learn from every experience is great and all, but being decidedly in the middle doesn’t make you some sort of sage, and you shouldn’t convince yourself so easily that you aren’t the one who ought to change.

            It’s not “liberal rhetoric” that republicans don’t care about immigrants; the current frontrunners in the republican all willfully speak against illegal immigration. Unless you’re seriously thinking they’re democrats in disguise put into the republican party to make it look bad, that’s nothing but republican rhetoric. The ghost of republicans past wasn’t as downright crooked or unjustly discriminatory, but there’s no right winged candidate making progress in the polls who thinks legalization reform is a priority over things like “building walls” or shark pits or whatnot along the border.

            The phrase “liberal rhetoric” isn’t just some buzzword you can throw around to fill in blanks; the actual Iraq war has ended and Obama pulled troops out when Bush had opposed it. The current presence we’ve recently taken is absolutely not the same.

          • xaade

            Lol….

            Conversation over.

            Change to what? Towing party line blindly…

            Being moderate doesn’t make me a sage, but it keeps me from being a drooling idiot.

            “It’s not liberal rhetoric”

            TIL Marko Rubio is a Democrat.

            “The current presence we’ve recently taken”

            We’re in Iraq…. right now.

            Look, I’m not trying to win a debate with you. I’m just letting everyone see how, despite the confidence you employ, and no matter how you structure your arguments, you’re a puppet.

            “I’ll degrade myself by meeting your demands”

            Because you can’t. You mentally have a block that literally keeps you from getting anywhere close. It’s so far out of your mind, you aren’t even aware of your hypocrisy.

            That’s all.

            But it’s been great. It really has.

          • Everett Daly

            Hypocrisy? You’re demanding people avoid being “puppets” while simultaneously demanding that they behave as you instruct them to. That’s a double standard if I’ve ever seen one. Don’t fool yourself into ignorantly thinking that people who aren’t just-like-you aren’t “free thinkers”. That’s how you become conformist in the first place.

          • xaade

            conformist….

            lol….

            The day when I log into to any site and not piss off people from both sides of the aisle….

            You’re getting sappy on me.

          • Everett Daly

            Oh yes, the old “if everyone disagrees with me, I must be right!” gimmick.

          • Everett Daly

            The old “if noone agrees with me, I must be right!” gimmick. Sure.

          • xaade

            Amnesty. Everyone does it.

            http://www.factcheck.org/2014/11/obamas-actions-same-as-past-presidents/

            The Bush policy, known as the Family Fairness Program, was not in effect long. On Nov. 29, 1990, Bush signed the Immigration Act of 1990 that, among other things, addressed the mixed eligibility families created by the 1986 immigration law. The new law created the Family Unity Program, which further increased the number of people eligible for protection from deportation.

            Yet the rhetoric is that conservatives don’t care about illegal immigrants, and liberals are the only ones that act on it.

      • Matt Dinsmore

        Keep drinking the koolaid. It’s Democrat debate not Democratic debate. The republicans argue due to the mediators and have shown a lot of class by limiting it and calling the media out on it. Just an observation but the only people that I ever hear use the word bigot or bigotry is bigots themselves, also know as liberals

        • Everett Daly

          That’s your plan for responding to getting called a bigot? ” I know what you are, but what am I?” Classy.

        • Damian Caligula

          Drink the cool aid! WAKE UP SHEEPLE! Can you ever come up with an original phrase, or put down? Just keep repeating the same old crap.

        • Michael Cano

          pretty sure that bigots are in every walk of life or party. but what you fail to see is that organizations like the KKK identify themselves as republicans. so take it up with them, call them out denounce them. if you donht then it stands to reason that you agree with their believes. that makes sense doesnt it?

          • Michael Cano

            oh and the republican candidates argue without any help from moderators. dont be those you complain about.

          • Matt Dinsmore

            In case you didn’t know, the kkk was started by southern Democrats and the vast majority of lynchings were perpetrated by those democrats.

      • Windy Wilson

        Please explain to me, as specifically as possible, what are the differences in proposed policies among the three Democrat party candidates, and how will any one of those collections of policies be different from the policies of the last seven years?
        And as to the “storms of insults being thrown around”, if the Democrat candidates were asked about what the other Democrat candidates were saying about him or her, there would be some fireworks in that snooze-fest of a primary race, too.

        • Everett Daly

          Why should I explain to you why they’d be different from the past seven years? The last seven years have been a net positive. Let’s just hypothetically say the upcoming candidates saw things no differently; no problem.

          And no, you’re wrong about claiming the democratic candidates would sink to that level. Take the classic example where Sanders was given the chance to slander Clinton for her emails; he flat out told the mediator he’d rather not, and went back to the discussion. On top of that, players like Trump will go out of their way to talk smack, no mediator whatsoever.

          • xaade

            Where did the Clintons get all their money?

            From campaign contributions.

            Ha…. ha ha….

            AHA, has produced

            1. Higher premiums for everyone who was already covered.
            2. High deductible insurance coverage for the poor.

            More plans were lost than created. Less people are covered than before. The coverage just shifted to the poor who can’t afford the fines, and the Middle class business owners are just paying the fines.

            High deductible insurance for the poor means that nothing besides preventative care is covered before they hit the deductible. Nothing.

            You’re poor and have to go to the doctor, you pay $300.

            Yeah, I suppose that’s better than before. I mean, after they’re gutted for $10,000, the insurance will kick in.

            That’s worth less for the poor than the paper the bill was printed on.

            Medicare and Medicaid was cut. They both were traditional plans with $100 dollar deductibles and co-pays for doctor’s vists.

            So, let me paint that picture for you.

            A poor family, before, paid $12-25 to go to a doctor for a case of strep throat.

            Now a poor family pays $100-300 to go to a doctor.

            YAY OBAMACARE!!!

          • desertpatriot

            @xa:
            don’t waste your time with this @sswipe; he has nothing important to say and is only trying to agitate the readers

          • xaade

            No, he truly believes he’s right.

            He just can’t realize that he’s only nodding his head to what a Democrat does and shaking his head to what a Republican does.

            As long as he can pat himself on the back for towing the party line for the party that has convinced more people “they help the poor”, due to the immediate visibility of help received by handouts, he doesn’t care about looking at the actual results.

            I used to be like that myself, 10 years ago.

            Then I woke up after 10 years of party power swapping and realized, they’re the same flipping party. It’s all a freaking sham.

            You know why Obama blocked the keystone pipeline?

            I didn’t. It’s absurd. Pipelines are the most environmental and safest transport, statistically. Do the research. Boats and highway transport is the worst.

            Why was it blocked?

            Because one of his buddies owns a railway transport for oil to Canada and the keystone would put him out of business.

            They’re in oil pocketbooks as much as Republicans are….

            All a sham.

            Internet gurus, are you frustrated at the various speed tiers? Do you think internet should be free?

            If you said, “yes I support net neutrality”, then you’re a chum.

            Net Neutrality lets the government regulate a set of speed tiers to control speeds of companies.

            Rather than private deals between companies who are big boys and can figure things out themselves.

            Net Neutrality lets the government decide who can get faster speeds, based on how much money they have.

            ISP wants to support small business and give a small business faster speeds because they’re awesome???

            Not allowed.

            That’s right. Poorer businesses get stuck on slower speeds.

            Talk about supporting the monopolies, my chums.

            Starting up a site that criticizes the government? Jokes on you…. you’ll be stuck on the slower speed behind a wall of bureaucracy.

          • Everett Daly

            Just flee from the opposition, like the XxEdgyDesertPhandomPatriotxX you are.

          • Everett Daly

            What’s this to do with Obamacare at all? I pointed out that Democrats express higher civil standards in debates. Weren’t you talking about false-dilemmas just a moment ago? ;)

          • Windy Wilson

            Sanders has since started to “slander” (to use your word) Ms Clinton about her handling of Top Secret information on a non-government server, which the FBI (headed by an Obama appointee) believes has been hacked by Russia, China and possibly the North Koreans.

    • DesertSun59

      Very amusing. Your explanation is precisely the talking point that Fox News has arrived at. That’s how I can tell that your ‘explanation’ is nothing other than a parroting of their illogic. By the way I’ve read information that says that UFOs are real and that condensation trails from airliners are really chem trails. Thus, I can tell that you’re actually a big Trump fan after all. How do I know this? Easy. Your an APOLOGIST for his fascist statements. Only supporters of fascists are apologists for **blatant** fascist talk.

      • Captain Mike Rides

        No, what is amusing is your inability to argue your point with facts and reasoning. Rather, you resort to the all too common, tired ploy of the hard left of demonizing those with whom you disagree by the use of the word fascist or racist, which rises to about a 2nd grade level of emotional and intellectual maturity. Like the boy who cried wolf, this overused tactic of the left has become so worn out that the commonsense townspeople ignore it now. If we ever do experience fascism, it will spring from the hard left, not from the conservative right. Hopefully, we never get to that point.

        • Ack Ack Ack

          Why have we been so coddled into thinking all opinions are equal and valid? Sorry, but they’re not. I mean, five months later, and all the venom Trump has spewed, and you come away with this turd: “If we ever do experience fascism, it will spring from the hard left, not from the conservative right.” You deserve to be mocked, not engaged with.

    • Urlacher Katt

      actually it says

      By the way, it’s NEVER going to go higher than 30%. But he knows that.

    • A_Wee_Lass

      Firstly – it is you who misquoted – he clearly said Trump will never go above 30%, not 12%, so that was an error on your part – own it.

      Secondly – how is it that you presume to claim that Herr Trump “resonates with the voters”? He doesn’t resonate with me, and I’m a voter. The fact that he only “resonates” with racists, bigots and uneducated whites, which come to about 65% of the GOP Base, the number can’t possibly even be HALF of the country.

      Thirdly, I heard what he said about Mexicans -and he begrudgingly said “and I suppose some of them are nice”. The insinuation was that the vast majority are rapists and murderers.

      Herr Trumpf operates from a place of fear and cheap talk, with no real plans or substance – just pompous and arrogant blustering to fill his own sails. How will he get the money for his “great big wall”? Why, he’ll get Mexico to pay for it! How will he refuse 1.5Billion people – why he’ll make them register (just like the Jews).

      Herr Trumpf and the m majority of his mono-browed, slack-jawed supporters don’t seem to realize that a President can’t just do what he wants, that he is still accountable to the Constitution and Laws of this country. These things will never get passed, and will never see the light of day.

      You are blindly supporting rhetoric with no substance. It’s all just vitriolic blustering, designed to keep the frightened white masses frightened.

      • Captain Mike Rides

        I did indeed misquote James by mistake. I have corrected that error now.

        As to the remainder of your post, you adopt the same smug, superior attitude of most hard left progressives, resorting to belittling others with whom you disagree. It’s really beyond cliche now and has little effect on the majority of Americans.

        I’m sure you are an Obama supporter which makes this statement hilarious: “Herr Trumpf and the m majority of his mono-browed, slack-jawed supporters don’t seem to realize that a President can’t just do what he wants, that he is still accountable to the Constitution and Laws of this country.” Obama has been acting outside the Constitution and the laws of this country for quite some time now. My guess is that you have not raised any notes of concern about that fact, which debases the entire foundation of your argument. You’re not concerned about the Constitution. You’re just a political hack who pays lip service to the Constitution when it suits your left-wing political views.

        • androphiles

          Your assumption that A Wee Lass is an Obama supporter says more about how you think than how she does. Can you name for us exactly how Obama has been acting “outside the Constitution and the laws of this country” and tell us why, if it’s so evident, the Republicans didn’t instantly start impeachment proceedings? You know very well they would have if they could. Your resort to characterization and namecalling is debased rhetoric which has no place in a serious discussion.

          • Matt Dinsmore

            His assumption is based on the same assumption that I’m making that your an Obama supporter. If after 7 years you still support obama or make comments about being held accountable (which Obama hasn’t) then you fit the ticket for being a brain washed liberal. Let’s point out the easy one, ACA…. You buy it or we fine you. That is unconstitutional.

          • androphiles

            Not according to our essentially conservative Supreme Court it’s not. Thanks for sharing your opinion, but I’ll go with the official position. And your assumption is nothing more than that. I’m not a “supporter” of any politician.

          • desertpatriot

            @andy:
            bullcrap! did you vote for obozo? answer: yes. therefore it is more than likely you will vote for the ‘witch’ in 2016

          • androphiles

            If “support” and “vote for” mean the same thing to you, then in my life I’ve “supported” politicians from every party that’s been on ballots for the past 48 years. If “support” is the same as doing or believing in everything one politician or one party believes in, then you’re wrong, because I don’t. I’m registered as an Independent and I don’t vote exclusively for any party and I don’t support everything someone I vote for does. I did vote for Obama, but I don’t believe in everything he does.

            As for president next year, I haven’t decided yet. I’ll probably vote for whomever the Democrats nominate simply because the Republican candidates are mostly assholes, except maybe for Paul Ryan. Of course there’s always the possibility that one of the other parties will have someone better, but it’s 11 months away, so I’m not in a hurry to decide.

            You know nothing about the people who post here, and making assumptions about them only makes you look silly.

          • desertpatriot

            @andy:
            ” I did vote for Obama…I’ll probably vote for whomever the Democrats nominate ”
            guilty! you will be voting for the ‘witch’ in 2016. i rest my case

            “You know nothing about the people who post here”
            i know enough about you (homosexual flame, left coast progressive) and that’s all that matters

          • androphiles

            Funny how you notice the irrelevant details like my sexuality and where I live but ignore what I said. I said, “probably” vote for the Democrat. We don’t know yet who’ll run in the other parties. I’m not committed to anyone. Your personal remarks are cute but ineffectual.

          • Matt Dinsmore

            I like that last sentence. Democrat or Republican, there is no difference. They want more power and more money and at the expense of those they are supposed to be working for.

          • desertpatriot

            @matt:
            all the more reason to vote for trump; if elected he will shake up the country club republicans and put them on an even playing field with us ‘common folk’. remember, donald cannot be bought; the ‘witch’ can

          • Matt Dinsmore

            A part of me is worried that trump is running as a favor to Hillary, if that isn’t the case then you’re right, the establishment is scared right now and should be

          • desertpatriot

            @matt:
            point taken about trump running as a favor for the ‘witch’. let’s hope it is not true

      • djmc993150

        Accountable to the Constitution and the Laws of this country? thats rich coming from a democrat.

        Tell me, since you want to bring up the law; what does the law say about engaging in armed conflict in another country? how long does a President have before he is required to get permission from Congress? How long was the US in combat in Libya?

      • ponymanr

        “resonates” with racists, bigots and uneducated whites, Herr Trumpf and the majority of his mono-browed, slack-jawed supporters ” ,,,,,,,,,,,,, I guess when you can’t argue the facts, you just call names. That will make it all better.

      • Matt Dinsmore

        The same was said about obama and he bypassed Congress like every other president. Stop using talking points and learn to think for yourself

      • Smoky Dogbert

        Hillary, is that you? You will need to come up with at least something positive if you want to win anything more that the 30% hard left. Calling conservatives “racists” is not enough to win this time what with people getting their news outside the old “mainstream” media.

    • david schwartz

      That is 35% of likely GOP primary voters. That works out closer to 5% of registered GOP voters.
      50% of the GOP are likely primary voters.
      60% of those voters have not made up their minds.
      Of the 40% that have made up their minds, only about a third, 13% support Trump.
      That’s right.. only 13%.
      It gets worse. That 13% only represents 40% of the primary voters. It’s actually just 5.2% of all primary voters.
      Nearly 1/4 of GOP voters will not vote for Trump under any circumstance. Many of those will vote for Hillary, if she gets the Dem nod, or sit out the election if Bernie gets the nod. There are other Republicans voting for Bernie regardless. That has more to do with repealing Citizens United than anything else. No GOP candidate will do it.

      The problem is with the polls and the methods used. Only half the GOP votes in polls and the majority that vote have not made up their minds. Trump has appealed to a small percentage of people who vote in the primaries. He knows if he appeals to the base, his poll numbers will look high.. for at least a couple months.. until the rest of the GOP factors into the race. He also thinks if he can keep his numbers high, the other voters will think they have to vote for him because no other candidate has as much support. He’s taking advantage of peer pressure. The whole thing is a scam. Scams are something Trump is quite familiar with. Look at Trump University.

      A better indicator of who will get the nomination is turnout, number of donors, and likeability of the candidate. Trump’s likeability is in negative territory. Going by those estimates, Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz will get the nomination in the end. Trump is simply not a viable candidate.

      • Captain Mike Rides

        I hope Trump does not get the nomination. As I’ve said on a couple of prior occasions here, I support Ted Cruz and I hope he’s the GOP nominee. But that doesn’t change the fact that James made a prediction about Trump’s popularity peaking at a certain level which turned out not to be true. That’s all.

    • Tim Q

      and you are buying into the mainstream explanation…and your justification of his words (no he didn’t say “all” he said MOST – when the reality is less than 3% of illegals actually commit a crime other than being an illegal) shows that Mr Altucher is completely right (he mentioned people like you as being a ten percenter.)

      • Captain Mike Rides

        You’re responding to a statement you attribute to me but which I did not say. This is what I said: “Second, any commonsense reading of what he said about illegals would
        show that he did not say that ALL illegals are rapists and murderers.
        He did not say anything of the sort. What he said was the Mexico was
        sending its rapists and murderers over here. In other words, Mexico is
        intentionally sending over violent criminals.” Neither my statement nor Trumps’ said anything about per centage of illegals committing crimes. The statement was solely limited to the assertion that the Mexican govt. is intentionally sending criminals across the border. That’s it.

      • http://seankibler.com Sean Kibler

        Do you have a source for that statistic? I’m quite sure I’ve seen statistics that say otherwise on a Stefan Molyneux presentation. I know he posts sources to his shows so I’d like to compare.

      • Matt Dinsmore

        Other than being illegal. Are you fing kidding me. The conversation should be over right there. They are illegal. Let that resonate for a second. So your okay with me coming over tonight making myself dinner, take a soak in your bath tub and then sleep in your bed. It’s absolutely no different then them coming across our borders and taking advantage of handouts that this government is stupid enough to give them.

        • Tim Q

          If there was a law telling you that wearing red underwear was illegal would you feel compelled to obey it? The Conservatives have slowly eroded away immigration to this country in order to retain power. If you grandparents were forced to obey today’s immigration laws, you wouldn’t be alive to be a jackass about it.

    • albeit

      Ironically, by NOT having a guest worker program, we have no influence over whether rapists and criminals enter the US.

      If we had a guest worker program that enforced nothing but a background check, we actually could make it difficult for criminals from Mexico to get a job.

      Of course, we can never do that because such a program would be loaded down with so many other requirements that it would be far easier to hire illegal immigrants that don’t go through the program.

    • Jonathan Buttall

      An ignorant, bigoted, deranged rant unfit for any American or even any human. You’re as disgusting as the Nazi propagandists during the Hololcaust, so it’s understandable that you’re a follower of Trumps unamerican, Neo Nazi point of view. You’re a terrible burden on a civilized society.

    • http://coloradoconfluence.com/ Steve Harvey

      He’s resonating with bigots and xenophobes, of which we have too many, and he’s doing so by saying nothing other than “it’s all THEIR fault! Get them!” bombastically. I doubt he is sincere in anything he says, but, sincere or insincere, he is playing a very amoral and destructive game of narcissistic self-aggrandizement, and if you have anything other condemnation for him and his followers than you are a part of that amoral and destructive folly.

      • GAU-8

        15% of his base is black.

        Thanks for playing.

    • Michael Cano

      dude seriously? Trump is identifying with the hate crowd its his whole stragedy. I personally know a few of his supporters and they are freaking nuts. so maybe actually listening to what he is saying might be a great new way to judge him. and hey this is not an attack on you just like you I’m only expressing my opinion.

    • carlos Javier

      po·lit·i·cal cor·rect·ness
      noun
      the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.

      • carlos Javier

        why must you conservative parrot everything you hear from the pundits? this must be the hundredth time i have read or heard a conservative use the term PC in a negative connotation this week alone . Read that definition ant tell me what is negative about P.C?

    • Stephen Ray

      Cubans where allowed to become American citizens ( after being vetted) since the Cuban nuclear missile crisis in Oct 1964…..In the 80s Castro took advantage of this and cleaned house of the undesirables Cubans. All that where found entering US were quarantine and vetted. Those that didn’t not clear were sent back. Please show me the proof that the Mexican government are clearing out their prisons and finantialy supporting these people’s ticket to America by any means, Bus, train, plane boat or coyote

    • ronniebray

      He still polls lower than Hillary. A condition that most of us call ‘satisfactory.’

    • http://batman-news.com Joe from Cebu

      You are right, Mike. Before I read your post, I was going to say practically the same thing, INCLUDING the part about the Cuban boat lift.

      Thanks for saving me the time of writing all that out. :)

      You da man.

    • Ketrick Lehmann

      You can’t go wrong appealing to racism, fear, hatred and stupidity of American White Trash. It isn’t very original. I believe Andy Griffith already played this role in “A face in the crowd”

      • desertpatriot

        @ket:
        playing the race card i see -no surprise there coming from a far-left leaning progressive. you and your kind are a dying breed -americans have had it with political correctness which is why trump is leading in the polls. read it and weep

    • Stuart Fitzgerald

      Thank you!

    • hzane

      Sir you are repeating almost verbatim scripted right wing MASS MEDIA words. It is chilling. All you hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people saying the exact same thing – believe that it is an organic thought?! Trump is a fake businessman. And the 10% mentioned in blog are falling for the trick. Sure Trump is the first person in politics to believe in illegal immigration…. You just don’t see the trick. Why even comment on this blog? Did you think repeating those scripted words would persuade the blog writer?

    • kglnyc

      “Illegals” is a nonsense word/category as applied to other human beings. It undermines your attempt to hit a rational tone.

    • Jingo Bells

      Thanks for clarifying the misquotes that the media likes to dump on Trump. It is amazing that they never seem to get it right. (Pun intended.)

    • Cristian Edgar Nunez

      Captain Mike,

      Try to take a critical look at the implicit assumptions and ideologies that lie behind statements like “wanting a secure border & legal immigration.” Unfortunately those ideologies, while well intentioned at times, grossly misrepresent reality and ignore history/context. The immigration crisis/crises that we have been experiencing for the past twenty years have been largely a product of U.S. geopolitical and economic policy. NAFTA is the best example to reference here. Many of the people “illegally” entering the US are economic refugees to who are seeking more prosperous labor markets. While I would like to see references to sources that informed you that the state of Mexico is intentionally sending criminals to the US, the issue would probably be mute. Characterizing the undocumented immigration in to the US as composed of criminals and rapists on the whole would also be grossly divorced from reality. Look at the 2014 immigration crisis ICE is still trying to deal with. Most of those immigrants were composed of women and children i.e. families seeking refuge from poverty and violence in Guatemala and Honduras. All this to say Trump’s statement about illegal immigration no matter how many ways you want to parse it 1) is not based on empirical proof or data (not surprising or expected there) 2) grossly misrepresents the reality of the immigration crisis that tax payers like you and me are paying billions of dollars for & 3) framing the issue as “illegal immigration” forms a set of premises and assumptions that dehumanize/criminalize and decontextualize the mothers, fathers, children, families/lives involved. Analyze it for yourself fairly….

      • Captain Mike Rides

        Mr. Nunez, while talking in terms of “mothers, fathers, etc.” as the “immigrants” who are coming over is certainly correct, you are no doubt appealing to emotions, rather than law and logic. It is a fact that the border-crossers are breaking the law, therefore it’s illegal. It is also a fact that no country can sustain its identity, character, culture, economic prosperity, and integrity by simply allowing anyone to enter who chooses to do so. Therefore, immigration quotas and laws are necessary. Further, in general, legal immigration is designed to benefit the home country, not as a humanitarian aid for the immigrants. Allowing multitudes of poor, illiterate, uneducated, and non-English speaking individuals into our country does not benefit it, but results in a substantial drain on those who are here legally.

        The illegal alien crisis in this country has existed for much longer than the 20 years you reference and was a crisis long before NAFTA. Recall that it was a crisis during the Reagan administration, and Pres. Reagan granted amnesty to millions of illegals at that tiime. It was also a crisis during President Truman and President Eisenhower’s administrations – so much so that they “rounded up” millions of illegals and sent them back to their home countries.

        Recognizing that it takes time to assimilate large numbers of immigrants, the US effectively reduced legal immigration to 0 for decades after the wave of the late 19th and early 20th century.

        There is no question that states collectively, along with the feds, are spending billions on illegal immigrants – NO QUESTION. One study put the cost of health care alone to illegals at approx. $10 billion per year. According to the National Research Council, the migration of these
        individuals into the United States costs American taxpayers $346 billion
        annually. http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/NealAsbury/Immigration-healthcare-illegal-emergency/2013/05/09/id/503579/ Another study, using DHS data, found that “all unlawful immigrant households together have an aggregate annual deficit of around $54.5 billion”. http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/05/the-fiscal-cost-of-unlawful-immigrants-and-amnesty-to-the-us-taxpayer

        This cannot continue. It will destroy our country. No country in the world allows unlimited free immigration. It’s insane that there are many individuals arguing for that very thing in America.

    • eddiebjr

      Actually Trump is not playing with a full deck of standard playing cards.

    • hzane

      Everything Trump has said is a right-wing trope that you could get off Facebook. He is telling you what you already think is true – that’s why it “resonates”. Because you are his mark.

      • Captain Mike Rides

        Wow, such a thoughtful, insightful response. How long did it take you to come up with that one?

    • rmis32

      “What he said was the Mexico was sending its rapists and murderers over here. In other words, Mexico is intentionally sending over violent criminals. Now, I’ve read information to indicate that the Mexican govt. is actually doing that.”

      Oh, you read it. Well, that’s convincing.

      “I would end Obamacare and replace it with something terrific, for far less money for the country and for the people,” said Trump.

      Oh, he said it. Well, that’s convincing.

    • Don Pierce

      BTW you should read up on who actually came over on the Mariel boatlift rather than depending on what Batista cronies and the CIA advertised…

  • Captain Mike Rides

    Follow up: According to the analysis conducted by the Texas Department of Public Safety, foreign aliens committed 611,234 unique crimes in Texas from 2008 to 2014, including thousands of homicides and sexual assaults. This is in Texas alone. I’m not sure this is a laughing matter.

    • Gab

      Subtract the crime of being in the country illegally. The stats are actually the other way.

      • Jeff Kezar

        Your comment doesn’t even make sense? Be that as it may, “Subtract the crime of being in the country illegally.” Seriously? Anything else?

        • trentonrerker

          Although I don’t know of its accuracy, it actuary did make sense.

    • Chris Andres

      In 6 years, “thousands” of homicides, and “thousands” of sexual assaults were committed in Texas. Oh, no, it’s a combined total of “thousandS”. O think I will abstain from the 12% that buy this.

    • Jeffrey Snow

      if you are going to show SCARY numbers like that then you must be willing to also provide the total # of crimes that happened in texas and also not lump violent crimes with petty crimes. If the data shows that as a % illeglas commited only 3 % of the total crimes, then there are bigger problems that texas has to deal with.
      Way to sensationalize data… This is the exact way Trump builds his arguments.
      1 part bullshit, 1 part missrepresentation of number.
      But hell as he once very eloquently “someone must be doing the rapin’ “

      • Captain Mike Rides

        So, what is the “acceptable” percentage in your view of violent crimes committed in this country by illegals? What in your view is the acceptable number of Americans to be murdered by an illegal immigrant? What is the acceptable number of rapes of Americans by illegal immigrants? What is the acceptable number of Americans killed by illegal immigrants driving while intoxicated? Is your number 3%? You’re OK with current policy that allows essentially open borders so that 3% of the murders in Texas are committed by an illegal?

        • Lost In Space

          You missed the point, it’s not that illegals commit crimes but how many crimes is too many. Secondly if we deported 100% of the illegals we’d still have crime

        • Byron Despres-Berry

          wow, what a tone-deaf, harping reply to Lost in Space’s reasonable question. what’s your deal? why do you want your immigrant crimes to trump the vast vast number of crimes committed by non-immigrants? dude, you are just looking for one more reason to justify the pretense to close our borders tighter

          • Captain Mike Rides

            Close our borders tighter??!! Are you serious? Tens of thousands of illegals are pouring into our country through our borders every year. What, you think there should be an acceptable number of illegals coming into our country? Are 12+ million illegals not enough illegal immigrants to suit you?

          • jorge jungle

            Captain MIke Rides: I fail to see how that is the county’s most pressing problem. It takes some real statistical gymnastics to try to make the “illegals” argument valid.

            But of course, there are political forces that want to validate your prejudice to ensure that they get to power and can get their tax breaks and deregulation at your expense.

          • Captain Mike Rides

            You fail to see this because you haven’t thought about it. Surely you don’t believe that a country can survive for long if it simply opens its borders to whoever wants to come in whenever they want to come in. The entire purpose of immigration is to strengthen the country. After waves of immigration, the country needs time to absorb the immigrants and allow the immigrants time to adapt to our culture, language, values etc. Are you aware that there was 0 immigration allowed for 40 years after the massive wave in the early 1900s?

            As for political forces, why do you think that the US Chamber of Commerce and big business want amnesty and massive immigration? Why do you think the Disneys, GEs and similar companies are improperly using the H1B visa program to fire Americans and replace them with foreign labor? It decreases wages. Cheap labor from Central and South America has been used for years to keep wages low, hurting the average American.

            And what about safety and security? Are you aware that ISIS and other terrorist groups are using our porous borders as entry points into the country? Are you ok with that? Just this week, Syrian, Afghani and Pakistani men were caught crossing into the US across the Mexican border. How many have not been caught?

          • Jonathan Stensland

            This whole jog through the magical fog of immigration policy is almost moot. Mexican immigration numbers are going down, not up. First and foremost, THAT! It’s a tangent.

            The emotions around this issue partially mystify me (and in part do not). It’s the mystery part that I’d like to see people sink their teeth into over the coming years. It seems like the emotion is far too strong to be an accurate responds to reality, and that the prompts for these feelings are far too successful for how fulse they are; meaning they are encouraged by a desire.

            If there is an over-eagerness to believe a serious injustice is being committed…when the only real travesty is that a labor demand in the US is being met by a means that fails to confere a fair legal status of some kind on people who are here in response to a labor-demand, then there is something disengenous about the judgment being generated, formed, and shared (like a virus). And there must be an emotional need of some real enough kind being served by the drama. What is that need?

            Given the frame around all this places such an emphasis on “illegals,” it seems to follow that the real emotional content ties-into-something right there in that word. It’s, therefore, most fit to point along that very line to a “projection” of emotion that does directly link with this dramatic judgment…and the shrill emotional pitch of some deep stress around some core, objective, offended principle. Illegal access to the land.

            Guilt about that, then? The stress of guilt?

            In the end…is it something as simple and as deeply denied as the the stress of knowing oneself to be historically guilty of very deep cultural crimes against humanity, as members of an identified invader group.

            Not “Mexicans” at all (who are merely responding to a labor demand emminating from here) but People who were coming here and were in now way invited by the People here before, nor lured here by those people in any manner (for any purpose of serving their economic interests, political interests, or their religious interests).

            It can only be guilt over our own antecedents who were not responding to a call from the rightful heirs to the land but were responding to a covetous desire to take what had belonged to somebody else. The emotions that people commonly express who take part in generating this anti-imigrant judgment doesn’t fit the likes of those who are coming in from Mexico to serve a need generated by our economy, but the emotions do fit souls who lived long ago and experienced an entire destruction of their way of life. If the shoe fits, then it fits?

            The emotions and hatreds do not even rightly have their original source in us–not in our own souls but in the souls of those whose villages, homes, lives, nations, hunting grounds were desemated by our antecedents. That shoe fits. This “Mexican” immigrant shoe never has.

        • Alicia

          Dude! Let’s say we remove all the illegals. What about the 97% of the crime? Isn’t that a significant problem to deal with before being submissive to xenophobia??

          No one is condoning crimes committed by illegals (except the ones that were committed in 17th and 18th centuries). It’s just that we have significantly bigger problems to worry about.

      • Ed Hare

        Here are the crime statistics for Texas over a few decades time.

        http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm

        It looks as if there are approximately 1 million crimes committed per year in Texas, and if the stats posted by Rides are correct, this would put crimes by “foreign aliens” at about 8% of the total. What is not clear from what Rides posted is whether those “foreign aliens” were legal or illegal immigrants.

        Now, to also respond to other comments, the idea that the government of Mexico is somehow approving the illegal aliens that are swimming across the river, or coming in with the coyotes is pretty far fetched.

    • Nop

      Thanks for demonstrating the author’s point. You are truly a retard, & as such, you know nothing about statistics. Idiots like you are why I normally avoid the comment section on political articles.

      • Captain Mike Rides

        Brilliant, thoughtful response. Glad you took the time to comment in such an intelligent manner. When one has no substance to their position, vacuous attacks are a good fallback.

        • Nop

          That would certainly explain your original comment, racist.

          • Captain Mike Rides

            Yawn. … When you think of something original and of substance, let me know.

  • Dean

    Seems like you’re a couple of moves ahead on this one. The “run as an independent” just came up.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/23/border-patrol-union-pulls-out-trump-meeting/

  • BlindIn1988

    Same thing Ross Perot did in 1988. Split the vote. Your call is correct.

  • NaveedXVO

    Right from the horse’s mouth, James Altucher “self help” guru (the self he’s helping is his own), know your target market. You guys read from the same script.

  • http://www.andrewriley.net Andrew

    Trump didn’t say all Mexicans and South Americans were criminals and rapists and I believe you knew that wasn’t the case when you wrote it, James Altucher. I don’t like Trump, but I do like you and this purposeful (I hope) misrepresentation of Trump’s words was really disappointing.

    • Gary Fillmore

      I think maybe James was taking a page out of Trump’s play book when he wrote this entry. There’s no such thing as bad publicity. Right, James?

  • Ted Scarborough

    Oh no. If he forms a third party we are going to have another Bush in the
    Whitehouse!

    • Red_Stater

      Not likely… Third parties of the kind Trump is likely to attract would have the same effect as Perot’s bid in ’92. 20%-Trump %30-Bush 50%-Clinton…. The only way you’d get a real election is if Bloomberg jumped in, then we’d be able to really call it the Clown Car General.

    • Ed Hare

      Actually, Ted, it is likely that if he forms a third party, we are going to have another Clinton in the White House. It is more likely that Trump would siphon republican votes than democrats.

  • mike

    Just wrong man. I thought you were better than that.

  • Mr B

    Is Donald Trump Pulling A Nigerian 419 Scam…… Question mark???? Yep that’s what James did put a question mark after it. So it was a question with his opinion on it. The man is entitled to his opinion as is anyone else to theirs….. that’s kind of like a democracy except everyone gets to vote and then the person with the most votes wins….. so leave ’til then and see who wins

  • Jeff Kezar

    Stumbled across your blog for the first time tonight and was really enjoying your insights, until I read this one. Nobody can get it all right and I’m afraid this is where you have proven that point. If that is all you have miscalculated then I will be a blessed man! I will stay tuned.

  • Sam

    I’ll have to agree and disagree. Greece is a country, and a country that happens to be the biggest holiday resort. I know because I’m Greek and there will always be debt.

  • Butler Reynolds

    Justin Raimondo has made a similar claim. He thinks that Trump’s campaign is designed to help Hillary:
    http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/donald-trump-a-false-flag-candidate/

  • PL

    I know Trump is batshit crazy but that’s why I like him. I’m tired of these boring old people. Most of them have been in the game so long they are out of touch with reality and their constituents.

  • louiseparke

    Perhaps, in a world where business MUST pander to politicians in order to survive (get contracts, massage regulations, mitigate taxation, etc), he’s just got his eyes on the prize. Hillary is a known pay for play gal. She’ll take a donation for a special interest kickback. She’s better for business, BIG Business! Now, wouldn’t you split the vote to get that kind of certainty?

  • Rondo

    Donald Trump is the best thing to happen to the upcoming Presidential election.

    Read this article why this is true quite fascinating .

    http://desolationrow2.blogspot.ca/2015/07/why-i-support-donald-trumps-campaign.html

  • Father Thyme

    “Putin: Trump of the Tundra.” Funny!

  • HydroCabron

    This might well be your best post – sheer brilliance.

    Trump may understand that a divided electorate presents huge opportunities for minor but devoted factions to exert influence, but it’s more important to understand this sort of efficiency in marketing: find precisely the most rabid chunk of the market and do not sweat anyone outside that cohort, because you won’t get much out of them anyway.

    I suspect that casinos do this – the cheesiness keeps out the people who won’t play much anyway, and makes room for the dopes who want pure entertainment, with no annoying thinking involved.

    I enjoy reading the websites of consulting and off-the-shelf software tool firms, because there is a whiff of this. I don’t think it’s intentional, but so much front-end corporate content has evolved to scare away the thinking client as much as to attract the ideal one. The thinking segment of your market generates far less return than the middle manager eager to swallow imagery and jargon, who will take far more abuse before complaining or dumping you as a vendor.

  • AndyAce83

    Hehe. Stupid ideas here. He is doing it for PR. He becomes the politician we always cry for. The “honest” one who says what he “means” without appologies.

    He can win people over cuz one would rather have an honest a-hole to lead than a slick backstabber.

    That is his strategy and it could be a winner in PC era we now live in. People are tired of being told what to say and what to think. Its liberating and fun to talk free. You showed that yourself by the mexican annekdote. Its not idiotic to support Trump and he is NO fool. He is a succsessfull man.

  • Doktor Jeep

    The entire election process is a scam

  • Kristian Brink

    James cracks me up. He spent 25% of the article talking about Nigerian princes and then he does his own 419 scam at the end of the article by asking the readership to buy his safe investing secret that will give you worry free 12.5% returns.

    As he notes in the article, he is going after the 10% that will send him $49, scratch that, $7. This is brilliant because I know it will work.

    James, you are a master marketer. This post is not meant to knock your methods but to praise your marketing genius.

  • Agu

    Hi James,

    I just came to your blogs yesterday, after reading Kamal’s book “Love yourself..”. I have been doing catch-up with your wonderful posts and found they uplifting and enlightening. However, on this one, I have very serious problems – on two major points. One is based on a fallacy and for committing the same offence you accuse Trump of. The second is linked to the first.

    You had accused Trump of tarring the entire Latino community with his allegations including your (lovely, no doubt) wife, but at the same time imply that all Nigerians (150 million of them) and the Nigerian nation are scam artists!!! You write well and I don’t believe that such broad and baseless generalization becomes you.

    Second, and most ironically, just before this piece I read the piece you had on credit card companies and hedge funds (that you are or were part of), which you identified as some of greatest scammers of our day. How about that for an example rather than over-generalizing an entire country of 150 million souls? Following your logic, shouldn’t Nigerians be equally, and justifiably so, outraged by the implications of your own over-generalization?

  • iggyauggietavi

    Wow were you wrong. I hope you make a life hack about the future caste system.

  • jghorton1

    Trump is at 29% as of 20 mins ago. I guess you should start listening Mr. Altucher… He didn’t get where he is (being a billionaire) by being stupid. Plus anyone is better than Hillary.

  • Stacy Raines

    I read these comments to this great piece ….and am amazed that some are either far right or lefties….where is the middle of the road? BALANCE is missing in these comments.. with everyone too interested in hearing their own voices and not “listening” for wisdom and reason. I believe the Trump hype will fade in time…people to see his lack of leadership, but most importantly his lack of WISDOM that will cause many to veer back toward a “middle ground”. We ARE a people who desire wisdom in leadership….a true leader will speak to all those he would “rule” and track their learning curve in order to develop subordinates to their fullest potential …..NOT alienate and fear those beneath him, as Trump would do.

  • PubliusK

    Good stuff, Mr. Altucher. I thought from day one that Trump had no intention of riding this out. He is a first rate Carnival barker on his grandest stage yet. If he was serious, he’d be spending time and effort appealing to folks other than the far right. As other candidates drop out, his numbers will not rise significantly, although he may scoop up Carson’s votes once he decides that he’s worked this thing for all he can, also. There just are not enough people in the GOP who would want this man as President. The GOP nominee will be whoever can hold on long enough and be still standing when the clowns drop off.

  • John Bernhardt

    I wonder what your saying about the spelling of Nigerian letters is really true? If so, it’s brilliant point and comparison.

  • Peter-Bonnie Rizzo

    James, I am with you on your take on this. And I am the same way you are when it comes to talking about news or politics. It’s an emotional powder keg to talk to about people about. Every other post on social media is somebody else’s emotionally fired political viewpoint. But like the motto of “The X Files”, you have’t to “Question Everything.” Think about the last time Trump ran for President. He whipped everyone into a frenzy..and then he disappeared again. This time he’s doing it 10x more then before. He’s like that WWF 80’s “bad guy” wrestler. He really pissed you off..or you loved him…and then reality set in and you found out that it was all a sham..an act..but he got your attention..and then of course you found out WWF wrestling was a scam…or did you?

  • Florida Squeezed

    This theory works for me… I said something very similar about Sarah Palin and a few other GOP weirdos… Except my reasoning took the form of: The GOP has been trying to see just how ignorant and offensive they can be because it makes the hapless liberals do all the advertising for them… They don’t have to go out there and shake babies and kiss hands because liberals are doing their social outreach for them by typing about how much they hate them on facebook… And what better advertising could you ask for? Some annoying smart-ass with a college degree who always brags about the smart decisions they made… hates you. Thus, every dumb loser loves you.

  • Chris Umbrewicz

    I live in New Jersey and he flat out lied about the people celebrating. Police reports were dug up after said comment and some teenagers were questioned for celebrating, a small group consisting of two digits.

  • Michael Kennedy

    Trump is playing on the fears of the American people, mostly on the right, that’s how Hitler got elected by playing on the fears of the German people in the 1930’s, don’t let our fears overrule our common sense as a nation, that’s dangerous

  • jabman549 .

    I guess the ‘genius’ who figured all this out and wrote the article was wrong…..and voting for Hillary. LOL. You know what’s funny ? People who think they are smart but are actually so stupid that they haven’t a clue how stupid they are. They believe they are the only ones who truly ‘get it’ and won’t hesitate to let you know. The irony is, they go through life and never do^. You see James, you have the unique inability to see outside your bubble of politics. You are no better than the ‘god hates fags’ Westboro Baptist folks. You don’t realize it and think you are.

  • George Patton

    Well, hey…… the KENYAN scam sure worhed!

  • Edward Jones

    Well said, and written,James. The 90% will see that.

  • Ken Darby

    Hey James. Not sure exactly when you wrote this little Diidy, but I have a question.Does Claudia cook?, Is she a Good Cook? because unless you prepare CROW just right, i does taste a little Gamy!! What did you say? Oh “By the way, it’s NEVER going to go higher than 30%. But he knows that.” Now, last time I checked, Trump was at 35%, So Eat Crow, Drink and be Merry, because Being Right it seems, is not in your Wheel house!

  • borderraven

    As of 12/10/2015 Trump is above 40 percent in some polls, averaging above 35 percent and rising steadily in the 15-day running average. Both Clinton and Sanders have taken a dip.

  • Mike Kohler

    His supporters are SMART enough to “get it”.
    We really DON’T take every word Donald Trump says all that seriously.
    We realize he is just “baiting” the media and his RINO and Democrat opposition to get “publicity’.
    And, we smile with him every time people like you get their panties in a wad.

    You think WE are “stupid”.
    But, we recognize a “smart” man when we see one.

    IF young Liberals and the “Occupy Wall Street” crowd had ANY brains at all they would be jumping on the TRUMP bandwagon.

    He is the ONLY candidate – of EITHER party – with the intent, the
    understanding of the system, and the ability to take down the “fat cats”
    on Wall Street.
    He is the ONLY candidate that does NOT rely on them for “campaign funds” nor, need their “bribes” to live well.

    He wants to “bring jobs back to America” that THEY have outsourced in
    their own financial interests and curb the influx of cheap foreign labor
    that holds down wages by which THEY profit.
    He wants to close the “tax loopholes” by which THEY avoid paying their ‘fair share”.

    Trump is ANTI – “the establishment” and the “status-quo” in Washington
    that has been maintained by BOTH parties for their OWN personal benefit.
    Which is WHY the “fat cats” are trying so hard to take him down. :-

  • Paul

    This is the most pathetic article I have ever read. OMG the author is a total idiot, and I just wasted 3 mins of my life reading this sorry article!

  • Tim Q

    I have been one of the people saying this for months — you just put an explanation to what I had already felt was going on. Why? Trump had to file bankruptcy 3 times under GW Bush (okay the third time was March 2009, but that was still a Bush signed budget.) His wealth has tripled since Obama took office (and he made a killing when Clinton was in office too.) Trump has always said his goal is to accumulate wealth, and it didn’t take him very long to figure out that a republican in office was bad for business. Derailing the GOP is his way of ensuring continued growth to his coffers, and you have explained the rationale of his actions.

  • Shane Stroup

    This article is retarded! I’m voting for Trump for sure. Why? Because he understands we are all tired of the shit! We are done being used in ways to support foreigners; they come over here and get anything they want! They are tax exempt when they open their business(which they get handed to them one way or another) then when it is time to pay taxes they just sell it to one of their family members who will not have to pay taxes for another several years! The only people getting handouts are the minorities or the foreigners! I’m sick of this Country busting my ass and kissing theirs! Which brings me back to THE TRUMP MAN! He will make America great again! For American’s I might add! I have Mexican friends who are good people but i know they have some dirty, gang related, rapist individuals as well! BTW Trump is at 35% as we type! You must be one of the ones who expects apologies for whites being so racist! Give me a break I’m sorry your wife is Mexican and you took what he said personal! If the shoe doesn’t fit don’t wear it! We need to over rule all of the sensitive pussies in this world and the race baiters! If you don’t want to cooperate as one then go the fuck back to your country! Also quit expecting shit on a silver platter; work for what you get in this country and if you cant you are bound to die! Sink or swim morons!

  • ronbos63

    How much is the establishment paying you to write this article ? Trump is on top for a reason ! The majority want him as president and the establishment wants to control the majority to continue their fascist movement ! The people are getting wise especially after what they pulled on Ron Paul ! GO TRUMP !!

  • G T B

    Sadly I guess James spoke to soon since Trump just hit 40%

  • LatherRinseReTWEET

    Trump is a master of hyperbole. But even those of us who recognize it, still like it. Don’t count him out as the Republican nominee — not because we believe every word he says, but because he pisses off all the right people! From there, it’s a matter of whom we dislike more: Trump, or Hillary. And THAT’S a contest!

  • Arturo A. Armendariz

    Hello sir. Yes, I too, felt this was all Smoke & Mirrors. I just don’t know exactly what is the goal (Clinton presidency?). Maybe he made a deal with the Clintons (I don’t know?). But I always felt that there is something going on behind the scenes, and not everything is at is appears.

  • ex mcgee

    About time you people caught on.MY belief though, is that he’ll sandbag the other candidates, splitting the party as much as possible or worse , get the Nom and throw the election. All to secure the POTUS Clinton for 8 more years of insanity…

  • Dan Gillette

    You’re playing right into his hands by creating a martyr. Why build a StrawMan, when the guy is already a scarecrow without a brain?

  • Jim Mooney

    I dunno. Trump is the Only sane foreign policy candidate. Unlike all the other Republicans, and warmonger Hillary (look at her record), he’s not into the usual war at the drop of a hat. He wants to deal with Putin; everyone else wants a war with Russia. Frankly, they all scare me more than Trump, since Russia has lots of nukes and I’m tired of endless war. Bush owns Iraq but Obama owns Libya and Syria – all shattered nations that gave birth to ISIS, along with millions of dead and displaced. Both parties have a Lot to answer for.

    Hitler was wrong about most things, but he was right about the importance of Geopolitics – the influence of geography on politics. For instance, the multi-hundred-year Westward expansion of the United States, concomitant with the decimation of Native Americans, created a thirst for endless expansion through conquest. Often, this conquest is economic (see Confessions of an Economic Hitman), but war is still used.

    Liberals have this odd idea that war is a conservative tool, but any look at history tells us they have waged as much overt and covert war as conservatives. They do paper it over with spreading “democracy” and “freedom,” even though it often ends up as death and impoverishment.

    For instance, although Bush owns Iraq with an overt war, Obama simply continued his insane and failed “regime change” policy in Libya and Syria, with one overt and one covert war. The result is three wrecked states, the death and suffering of millions, and the rise of ISIS. So being an American Conquistadore is not a partisan thing. It’s in our blood.

    Which means that things like ISIS and Al Quada will never stop happening to America.

    BTW, one thing I’ve noticed about Trump. Many of his “inflammatory” statements are qualified by a second part that Never makes it into the headlines. But then, this is the MSM that gave us Weapons of Mass Destruction.

  • Jim Mooney

    Although the best statement I heard was from a white woman who said, “Those Mexicans are lazy and they’re taking our jobs!” ;’)

  • Larry

    I’m hesitant to refer to a candidate I don’t like as a moron or an idiot, because sometimes they win and then my candidate is in the position of having lost to an idiot. I fell into this trap with Obama.

  • Alan Groening

    he’s ignoring the 90% and going for the idiot 12%? thats 102% haha..
    #notrumpvote

  • Bobby O’Dell

    ….zzzzzzz. Boring. Trump WILL win the nomination.

  • xaade

    Figured this out a long time ago. But I don’t think he’s going to drop out of the race. He might even make primaries. He could be doing this solely to get attention. And attention is money. He adds just enough truth to his arguments to make it hard to outright ignore them.

    For example, “Mexico is sending their criminals”.

    If you say, “you’re saying all Mexican illegal immigrants are criminals”
    You are wrong.

    If you say, “you’re racist”
    You are wrong.

    If you say, “No illegal immigrant is a criminal and there’s no downsides to an open border”
    You are wrong.

    If you get offended because you’re a hard working immigrant, legal or illegal.
    You are wrong.

    The only way you’d be right, is to say, “Mexico as a government is not purposefully or actively engaged in sending criminals to America.”
    At which point you’d be officially right, but you’re risking being proven wrong if we obtain evidence that Mexico engaged in this ONE time. Even just ONE time, and you’re wrong.

    So it’s hard to be right, when you disagree with him.

    However, there is some underlying implications that appear wrong. Something seems wrong about that statement.

    However, technically, there’s only one thing wrong with it, no one is pointing out the correct thing wrong, and even then it is a risk to assert with absolute confidence that it is wrong.

    But on the flip side. These kinds of statements play into a broad range of people and what they like to hear. Everything from a racist, all the way to a person frustrated with the job market.

  • Al Haus

    If it wasnt for lies and distortions, the left would be speechless. But it’s ok. In case you havent noticed America is sick of “progressive” and “political correctness” and all the left wing thievery and America hating. That’s why none of your vitriolic and lie filled attacks have stuck to Trump. It’s not working anymore. In fact it’s backfiring. Every time you Trump haters try it, he goes UP in the polls. SWEET!

    And no one can stand Hillary. Even the Democrats that will vote for her can’t stand her. I’ve had more than a few tell me that. And forget about Bernie. The Clinton machine will take care of him, and you KNOW that’s true!

    So go ahead and keep producing this CRAP you call journalism. Keep attacking Trump with lies like saying he said all Mexicans are murderers and rapists. Because when they find out what he really said, HE JUST GOT ANOTHER VOTE!

    Thank you, you America hating left-wing IDIOT!

  • lantanalenoxx

    Why, this is just another right win hate blog. Get off my news feed, Altucher.

  • James Briggs

    Every group falls for it’s own carefully taylored scam. The article is part of it. While people are laughting at the scams other groups fall for they are buying into the one designed for them. They are all crooks except Sanders. Hillary is just as harmful as the Nigerian’s scam. The fix is in Sanders the Democratic Party is actively working against him and the networks are lying about him. Short of a violent revolution voting for Trump is the best things we can do.

  • http://KentonHJohnson.com/ Kenton H Johnson

    Seems like mostly a drunk’s ramblings here …

  • HappyImNotYou

    “Because of the Idiot 12%…” Well. according to your cretin analysis of the world
    stage, I am in that “idiot 12%.” Chew on this: All it takes is a dedicated 3% to foster a counter-revolution. Doesn’t make any difference what you think in the long term, people like you will be cannon fodder when that 3% rise up and throw off the yoke of liberalism (progressivism, socialism, communism, et. al.)

  • John Giametti

    Boy are you full of self congratulatory BS.

  • NC Seventeen (NC-17)

    Mean While Trump is posed to cross over into the upper 40%….keep the low brow predictions to yourself.

  • Daniel Scott Smith

    i liked this. and the map too. first class for a stinking mexican lover. :)

  • Nichita Sandru

    The Nigerian scammers have a term for those who fall for their scams – “mugu” (stupid). So Trump supporters (or Trumpiots as I would call them) are just that – mugus.

    • Avery Garmire

      Further most “Nigerian scammers” are not Nigerian…not sure where that leaves us?

  • Floyd Burney

    …..JA, Just another Democrat Party Hack doing what he does best…..

  • Helpurself

    Hypocrite , TRUMP never said all Mexicans were rapists. TRUMP never said real heroes come home . This article was a total LiE .

  • Allen Wilson

    well its no different from Romney, except he told it in a speech and the media killed his campaign. you gotta know what your audience is and then seek the next one to win over.

  • dennisg40

    This is my personal saying I made it up and so there: In a democracy everybody wants to live in a dictatorship…..their dictatorship not the other guys.

    • Avery Garmire

      creative…but not really resonating as true…could you elaborate / articulate more toward this idea?

      • dennisg40

        Read it and if you have the ability to think look at society now everyone wants their own way about everything even though they call themselves this or that. What I am saying is EVERYONE WANTS THEIR OWN WAY.

        • Avery Garmire

          So you’re saying….’everyone is selfish’…. Is there something more I am missing?

  • Gil Johnson

    I’m not sure I can believe a writer whose math skills are so poor that he things when you subtract 90% from 100%, you are left with 12%.

  • gary w

    This is brilliant and Johnny on the spot, but I challenge the 10%. After all, you have to explain Ben Carson and Ted Cruz. And, Trump is up to 30%, which is 30% of 50%, which is 15%. So, if you take that 15% and add in 10% for Cruz and 10% for Carson, that’s $46 billion in Nigerian money.

  • David Wright

    Is Hillary scamming us? What did she actually do right as SoS? She gave a lot of speeches and Bill got to give a lot of speeches, they raised a lot of money for their Clinton Foundation, but how did she actually help the country? The answer is she didn’t. She just got herself and Bill much much richer.

    • desertpatriot

      @david:
      time to clean house of career politicians. time to support trump

  • Dan Arnold

    Looks like a lot of that 12% is responding with comments.

  • Harris Neifield

    On the map, I can’t read many of the smaller countries descriptions because the font is too small. IS there a list of them somewhere?

  • Frank Underboob

    Wow. So many dimwitted racists in the comments here. I’m really looking forward to seeing you children crying & throwing tantrums after you get your asses handed to you next November. Don’t forget to vote Trump, kids! LOL.

  • http://www.ourstrongband.org neal h hurwitz

    cannot read the small print on the map!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Avery Garmire

    Great article. I’ve legitimately ignored every post and news story related to Trump up to this very point right now. Very, very funny stuff and excellent synopsis. Prior to reading the article, I, as I imagine countless other people (less than 88%) already well knew the truth (as you probably also well knew, which is also funny). Worth fully articulating, if only for the comedy, but in brief can all be summarized as……’How do you appeal to idiots without being idiotic?’ Again, very well done!

    • Avery Garmire

      That said, is not really a 419 scam remotely…the point of a 419 scam is to quickly/radically eliminate 99.5% plus of all false positives. There are no true costs in this scenario on ‘missing’, rather the only ‘true costs’ are a lack of maximization (resonance), but this would place the optimal value (strategy), to the far right of the curve, whereas the 419 scam is the exact opposite side of the curve….The essential point is your reference to ‘idiots’ self selecting, in exchange for this perverse attention (Trump), the media, or party, gets valuable information on the precise state of the populaces malleability and receptivity to various forms of deception.

  • Johnnie Maul

    Donald J. Trump now has a 20% lead (at 39%) over the closest GOP POTUS contender Senator Ted Cruz’s at 18%.

  • carlos Javier

    I wasn’t illegal immigrants who crashed the economy it was people like
    Trump who did that.

    • desertpatriot

      @blackhand:
      you are terribly misguided and confused

      • carlos Javier

        please enlighten me.

        • desertpatriot

          @blackhand:
          no, it is you who needs to “enlighten” us about how trump crashed the economy in 2008 when obozo took office

          • carlos Javier

            Is that what i said? I clearly says People like trump. As in people with similar political and social values to trump.

          • carlos Javier

            And the economy crashed before Obama took Office the First bailout was done during the Bush administration. Everyone knows Bush crashed the economy. your cognitive dissonance is alarming do you take meds for that?

          • Bob Gemale

            oooooooo, are we showing prejudice against people who take meds. How condescending, how racist. tsk tsk

          • desertpatriot

            ????????????????????????????????????????????????????

          • carlos Javier

            What does race have to do with meds? And what does making a joke about nonexisting meds for a nonexisting medical condition have to do with prejudice? I wass calling you dumb. Just you.

          • Bob Gemale

            yeah, Trumpither and the Illuminati, in tandem with Big Oil and Pharma. Plus the Illuminati

          • desertpatriot

            @bob:
            are you on medication?

          • Bob Gemale

            Are you on an AOL dialup modem connection, cuz thats how limp and stale your “quip” is

          • desertpatriot

            @bob:
            xanax?

          • Bob Gemale

            You really want to talk about addiction, thats all you care about

          • Bob Gemale

            doper assuming that everyone else does drugs too?

  • joeschmo8675309

    Ridiculous article. Or was this satire? Trump will take the Republican nomination. Do you think he would give up the one shot he has to take the most powerful position in the world for Hillary? Not very likely.

  • Darrelln99

    I was in Baja Mexico about 5 years ago when they dumped 400 criminals from prison in TJ so they would find their way to the USA

  • Mike Stover

    All you Trump hater’s can go suck a dick I’m still voteing for him.

  • RAGNAR_MAELSTROM

    Total anti-intellectual fluff.

  • REnninga

    It’s probably not the Nigerian 419 scam, but Donald Trump is MOST DEFINITELY scamming. He is a near lifelong con artist, and he has no actual interest in being President. Trump is running a scam, and any American who thinks otherwise and who is buying his scam is going to feel the pain of having been deceived. How and when and how painful it will be are the questions soon to be answered.

  • Brian

    Interesting theory. I’ve been saying that Trump has such low self-esteem, that he’d never put himself into a situation where he could lose in front of the world. He’ll get out, but on his own terms where he can call everyone else idiots and losers. He’ll never let the nation or media define his outcome for him.

  • Anthony Ortega

    Is it me or did every single one of you miss the point and already forget the article title? All the author is saying is….Only dumb fucks believe in a side show and trump will exploit them and you. Do you really think he hates money and doesnt want to make more??? Are you fucken retarded sons of bitches really trying to tell me you forgot one of the darkest traits of a human??? GREED You forget about it? Thats how easy it is to work you weak minded mother fuckers over. Dumb as cattle…lol More is never enough and more money means more GREED. This dumb bastard needed something to do with his pathetic life. He said fuck it Ill make more money on this publicity stunt and tax my followers later with merchandise and contributions…which he doesnt even have to ask for….LMAO….DUMB FUCKS!! But thats right now….Later i hope you all enroll in another one of his Universities ….LMAO….. He is astonished he is doing so well but only with white trash idiots back east. White trash. The majority of America isnt poor white no life trash like them backwood hick inbred fucks. These arent the old days where you were whipping timid black slaves…..lol….Oh no…..You have a gang of other people who will skin your ass alive you even attempt to bring back some racist shit in America. Bare hand killing and tearing is much more horrific and painful. You dont want to see the rage from within. Then we feed you to the pigs, and sell the pig to market… :) End of story.

    • Bob Gemale

      You know, folks using ALL CAPS and copious amounts of !!! and ???? !!!! as thet post adolescent expletives are generally regarded as crude vulgar whites.

      • http://www.BobIsaFatDisgustingUrineCollector.com IJR

        You used to misuse the ellipsis until I educated you about it. Now you misuse dashes like a fat child.

        • Bob Gemale

          “duh you misspelled a word so I played grammer Notsi and won the internet duh dll LOL duh naked boys duh dl but alcohol”

          • http://www.BobIsaFatDisgustingUrineCollector.com IJR

            I’m, not sure why you love naked boys or what you are talking about.

            Lose weight, get a real job that does not involve urine and then take two weeks off and quit.

          • Bob Gemale

            stalker IJR obsesses “duh boy duh urine duh fat duh boy duh urine duh fat duh lemon party duh duh boy duh urine duh fat duh boy duh duh boy duh urine duh fat duh boy duh urine duh fat duh lemon party duh duh boy duh urine duh fat duh boy duh urine duh fat duh lemon party duh” duh fat duh lemon party duh”

  • Tyler Brown

    Lots of bullshit, then only substance contained in which is a transparent attempt to brainwash those Americans left of center into acquiescing to the demonization of Russia. In reality, faults of the current leadership notwithstanding, Russia is among the only nations world-wide which isn’t entirely under the yoke of the imperialist international financial markets, and that’s why there’s such an enormous effort to dupe the western left-liberals into considering Russia to be some reactionary bugaboo.

    Any competent leftist – or, indeed, decent human being – would first note that, long before the United States begins going abroad in search of monsters to destroy, we must first get our own house in order. We have much to do in that respect.

    In the mean time, the internal politics of the Russian Federation are of no concern to the people of the United States, any more than Russian intervention in American domestic affairs is warranted or acceptable.

    Finally, if American left-liberals are so concerned about democratic formalism – and so unconcerned about the actual practice of democracy here at home – then the first and most obvious targets of their efforts abroad can only be the reactionary, pre-feudal monarchies of the Persian Gulf. Modern, representative republics like Russia, Syria, and even Iran, are certainly far closer to our own values (although admittedly being very far removed from the degeneracy of the corporate, so-called “mainstream” American media) than those of such despicable autocratic regimes as the governing parties of Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

  • wvobiwan

    Awww, is your butt hurt now James?

  • Thomas T. Panto

    Reminder:
    Lynch Mobs burn witches because of their FEAR of the UNKNOWN.

    • Bob Gemale

      reminder: bigoted dim rote reefer mad dopers recite the samo samo

      • http://www.BobIsaFatDisgustingUrineCollector.com IJR

        As do you Fat Boy.

        • Bob Gemale

          Theres wannabe doper jihadi IJR defending addiction and wanting to talk about hairless boys he adores again. Bacha bazi is what real dopers love.

          • http://www.BobIsaFatDisgustingUrineCollector.com IJR

            For every pound you are overweight, you have 7 extra miles of blood vessels. You must have 1,400 extra miles of blood vessels. That must put a lot of strain on your heart Fat
            Boy.

          • http://www.BobIsaFatDisgustingUrineCollector.com IJR

            Did you shave the goatee yet Fat Boy?
            It does nothing to hide your fat jowls and makes you look trashier.

          • Bob Gemale

            my personal stalker IJR obsesses “duh boy duh urine duh fat duh boy duh urine duh fat duh lemon party duh duh boy duh urine duh fat duh boy duh urine duh fat duh lemon party duh”

  • Martin Ryle

    James is dead center on this analysis. Trump would be bored to tears by the job of being president, and he knows it. He is also utterly cynical and calculating in his “campaign.” He will emerge with a loyal following who will give him money and an enhanced brand that he can parlay into at least millions. I do not understand why so many otherwise bright folks cannot perceive this.

    • desertpatriot

      @martin:
      “I do not understand why so many otherwise bright folks cannot perceive this”

      so what’s the alternative? we nominate a career politician to take trump’s place? this is not what the people want and thus, in the end we will lose to the great white witch

  • James Chapman

    The Drivel of this article has NO BASIS at all. I think the first paragraph of any article defines what you are about to read and this article does not withstand that. Could be written in satire. That would be appropriate but I didn’t read this word for word. It is garbage… Virtual birdcage liner!

  • Foxberg

    And the idiot will be you when Trump wins the elections! Trump 2016! It’s time to get our country back from morons like you!

  • Jeremy Cossey

    Same strategy the Clintons used in 1992. Echoes of Ross Perot. They just decided they needed someone louder and more obnoxious than Perot this time.

  • Doc P

    You can tell the republiCANTS, Bigots, and other teabag idiots, are gullible and dumb-enough to believe dumbdonalds lies and stories, instead of facts. Scientific Proof: Liberals Are Smarter Than Conservatives!
    http://mindy-fischer-writer.com/2015/11/scientific-proof-liberals-are-smarter-than-conservatives/

    • Bob Gemale

      “duh hey folks, check out my bigoted LIB vocabulary lolz sh#$%$ fu#%$%$5 lolz as@ #$# pi$@#$#$ LOLOLZ”

  • Wayne Thomas

    I had little patience to read too far into this. Too many assertions to be much more than entertainment. While I’m sure you might have gained some insight into Greek culture, who in their right mind plays games with Greeks in New York and assumes they understand Greek economy? Why should I listen to someone who accepts Dunbar numbers based on sample studies? Or someone who assumes that celebrities and/or politicians make the difference in those numbers? Someone who analyzes Trump while admittedly not quoting him properly?

    None of your reported percentages at that point can be considered faithful or trustworthy.

    You make statements without establishing fairness and credibility, which makes you, at this moment, JUST AS MUCH A PART OF THE PROBLEM.

    Get your shit together.

  • ajaske

    The numbers here are not all correct but the point that Trump is not out to appeal to the brightest or the best part of ourselves is valid. So many comments on immigration-the point should be our policy is such an unrealistic mess that too many people are defined as illegal. Why not have guest workers and tax them? More flow of both goods and people is a very capitalist idea. Instead, people put that aside and want to waste taxpayer dollars on a wall rather than much simpler solutions. The main incentive for this is being so uneducated you can’t compete with unskilled foreign workers who may not speak English. But stupid people don’t grasp any of this nuance.

  • Felix Rivera

    Trump has to be the best friend evaaaa! Go figure, he and the Clintons are tight as hell and have been for over 20 years and was a democrat for even longer and all of a sudden he switches sides in order to be a Presidential candidate and bad mouths the Clintons? This has to be the best bait and switch in the history of politics! For him to win the GOP nomination would be a feather in Hillary’s cap but not a full win cause Bernie has Hillary’s number not to mention the “GOP Insane Clown Posse”

  • ronniebray

    Some Trump fans have figured out that trump is a scammer, a spammer, a liar, and are even thinking about coming clean and telling the other Trumpophants. When they do they will not be believed. Trump will win the nomination, win the presidential election, invade every Muslim country and Muslim-Americans and Red Indians will rise and Italian, German, and Irish Americans will joind and naother band of Wobblies will take on the Trumperment and the final battle at Bull Run will start and finish without Trump because the Bullish president will not be anywhere near the real figh ting and will abscond and live abroad in an Arab country that enjoys buffonery.

    America will eventually seetle donw, the new KKK will be made illegal and imprisoned in Guantanamo along with murderous street gangs, the Mafioso, and Insider Traders, Land Barons, Bad landlords, and lying journalists.

    America will then be free and a good place for honest people to live and work.

    You may not believe this, but remember when you see it happen, you heard it here first!

  • Satan

    TRUMP 2016!!

  • John Morgan Duty

    James…you’re a fucking idiot and this will be the last piece of drivel from you I’ll ever read. Mexico has, for a fact, emptied out their prisons and sent them to the USA. AND…John McInsane is a criminal, an asshole, mentally Ill, and a traitor. This sort of disqualifies the geriatric fuck as a hero wouldn’t ya say?

  • Bob Gemale

    sorry, but your implying that the 519 scam is of Nigerian – i.e. poor downtrodden minority – origin qualifies you as a worse racist than Trumpitler.

  • Gary Vogt

    Quite a snarky article..sort of Trump-like. I think the writer was one of the 419 that got jammed and now is trying to explain why they are no longer stupid.

  • bigkahunaron4826

    Un, 90% + 12% = 102%. Now, how are we supposed to believe you if you can’t even add…or is that your point? Other than your weak math (either you were educated in Reagan-era California when Ronnie was Gov. or you’re a product of today’s NEW math), I totally agree with you. I disagree with those who say Trump’s going to get 35% because 5% of those folks will realize how idiotic he is and change their minds. The other 30%ers will vote for Trump because they’re as dumb as rocks.

  • wynnosu

    Those people who hate Trump need to face the real reason he is doing so well right now. Barack Obama… the guy so many Trump-haters voted for, probably twice. When you have someone who ran on something as flimsy as “hope and change” and has been an abysmal failure by almost any measure, this is what you end up with. The same way George W. Bush made it possible for a complete incompetent like Obama to get elected, people will often choose a drastic change in direction when things aren’t gong as well as they think they should. So go ahead and criticize Trump (I do myself on certain issues and statements he has made) but never forget Obama is the reason Trump is getting such traction in this country.

  • The Mule

    I agree with you a little, but you’ve obviously made some incorrect predictions on his success with primary voters, at least as far as polls go. The elections will tell the tale.

    I don’t agree with you that he’s handed the election to Clinton. Sanders, more like it.

  • xnerd

    You guys are forgetting one important thing Donald Trump cannot win the nomination in any way shape or form! There are too many people running for him to win outright it will come down to delegate votes. If you think he’s going to win the delegate both inside Republicans hate him you think he’s going to win their votes? Seriously? Lol
    Again there’s no mathematical way he can win this it’s not going to happen and get over it

  • TruckinMack

    Hillary is completely unelectable and she knows it. Instead she is amassing voter support and money so she can use this as leverage in the next election. Hillary will step aside due to ‘illness’ and put her support behind some other arch Liberal who will run on the slogan, ‘Let’s win this for Hillary’. In exchange for her support, Hillary will get a nomination to the Supreme Court if the Democrats win.

  • Ernest Allen

    Rapist Mexicans, uppity niggers and women, back-dealing Chinks, terrorist Muslims, spendthrift Jews, and American-hating white folks who don’t vote for Trump – we will need you to get on the trains. Your luggage will catch up to you…after we make America great again.

    We’ve seen this movie before. No thanks.

    • desertpatriot

      @ernie:
      oh look at you, the drama queen you are

      • Ernest Allen

        If the hood fits Adolph…

        • desertpatriot

          @ernie:
          adolph coors? huh?

          • Ernest Allen

            Like I said, if the hood fits.
            http://www.corporations.org/coors/article.html

            How many more months until the next black church shooting Adolph? Backward, knuckle dragging Trump voter…i can do this all day.

          • desertpatriot

            @ernie:
            “the pain…oh the pain i must endure”

          • Ernest Allen

            Until you can get the trains going…

    • tomte

      Yes, the NAZIS had hatred for all but themselves… therefore, in order to show the world how un-NAZI you are, leave your doors wide, wide open while you go off to work, leave your car doors wide open, with the key in the ignition, as you head to the office, and empty out your wallet for the first vagrant that asks for a buck. Do all this to prove how thoroughly altruistic, free from judgment, and pristine in every thought and deed you are.
      No one shall ever call you racist, bigot, Nazi, homophobe, sexist, etc., and you can feel swell as can be… and freeze your butt off… and starve… and join that aforementioned vagrant in the street.

      • Ernest Allen

        Open the camps, kill those vagrants, and make America “great”. Got it.

        • tomte

          No, you don’t “got it”.
          You actually are a bit of a drama queen, as the other commenter remarked.

          • Ernest Allen

            Trump voter calling me a “drama queen”. That’s funny. Got your hood and your rope you redneck, inbred piece of shit?

          • tomte

            No, I don’t have a hood and a rope, as I am not a Democrat… nor inbred… nor a piece of poop.

          • Ernest Allen

            You need to update your talking points. Roles reversed in the 70s. You are about…like…50 years behind. Don’t you read? Never mind.

            Now scoot along to your cross burning.

          • tomte

            No, the rules are largely the same as before.
            The democrats still think blacks require welfare and affirmative action in order to compete with whitey.

          • Ernest Allen

            Yes, the roles have definitely reversed. Today’s Republicans wave Confederate battle flags, would prefer white-black water fountains and schools, wish for forced sterilization of the “takers” in order to reduce their tax burden. All spoken in code of course. However, as I white Southern man, and after a few beers, these douches no longer feel like they need to speak in code.

          • tomte

            Republicans want white-black water fountains?
            I guess smoking loads of weed really does make you paranoid.

          • Ernest Allen

            If the hood fits…

          • Ernest Allen

            “Drama queen”…for calling out the brown shirts? If you consider calling out American fascists being a “drama queen”, then so be it. Now scoot a long to your book burning.

          • tomte

            It’s not the Right that wants “trigger warnings” on books, and wants Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer removed from libraries.

          • Ernest Allen

            It’s the right that wants science banned. Teach creationism or evolution.

            The world will always be flat and the earth will always be the center of the universe no matter how much proof you are shown. Low IQs.

  • Italo Savella

    Listen, stupid, it’s Obama who has been pulling a Nigerian scam for the last 7 years!

  • desertpatriot

    time to clean house; rid the gop of its dead weight and country club atmosphere.
    vote for trump!!!!!!!!!!!

  • niki

    I have read a lot of garbage and this falls in that category. By all means hate trump but please stick with the facts and let us decide. A hit piece by misquoting somebody is still a hit piece. I know you can get a lot of eyes by dissing somebody, you will get the same number if you dissed Clinton, but garbage will still be garbage if you can’t substantiate your facts

  • George Wilberg

    Frankly in my opinion you are an idiot. Trump does a little over the top on some subjects but for a reason. A significant number of illegal immigrants commit a lot of crime in America and many are in our prisons costing taxpayers plenty of dough. Our trade agreements are crap and America is going down the economic toilet to the tune of about 20 trillion in debt. America is the laughing stock overseas. But I will not go on because the majority of Americans are not fooled by your zealous attack on someone who is not a crooked Politician and does want to Make America Great Again.

  • Rude Man

    This post is stupid. I clicked over from a “sponsored post” on Facebook. I’ve read your stuff before and it’s not very good. That’s why I haven’t been back to your site in years.

    No wonder you need to pay Facebook to get readers – you can’t grow organically. Hope you paid a lot for the click over to your site.

  • Nicolas Perez

    Trump said he would kill the families of terrorists. That is disgusting. A war crime. But most importantly morally disgusting. That anyone would say that innocent women, and children need to die as some sort of deterrent for terrorism makes you a bigger terrorist.
    Trump and his Nigerian scammed supporters are shit.

    • desertpatriot

      @nic:
      so what you’re implying is the families of terrorists have no idea / are completely clueless as to the terror activity of their sons and daughters. do i read you correctly?

      • Nicolas Perez

        That is not just my views. That is the view of the internationally community as well as l well….anyone who is morally sound…

        • desertpatriot

          @nic:
          remind me once again what is “morally sound” about those who subscribe to islam -a cult whose members worship death to the non-believers?

          • Nicolas Perez

            All religions are barbaric in text. Including the shit written on the Bible. Most Christians don’t follow the bible literally just like most Muslims don’t flow the Koran literally.

          • desertpatriot

            @nic:
            which “religion” today is hellbent on killing the non-believers?
            clues:
            -it’s not really a religion but rather a cult
            -it’s members were seen passing out candy and dancing in the streets in celebration of 9/11

          • Nicolas Perez
          • desertpatriot

            @nic:
            i don’t need to watch some silly vdo on the internet. if you want to make your point then say it with words

  • Steve Konrad

    Lame ,stupid

  • P J

    I gave this bonehead a dozen paragraphs to start making some sense and instead he pulled some utterely unfounded “150 friends” gibberish outta hizzass.
    NOTE TO SELF:
    Phrase, “James Altucher” is bug Latin for, “Nothing worth seeing here.”

  • Su’ud Al-Arjawani Hayes

    i certainly hope that you’re right. right now, trump appears to be wretched demogogue with fascist inclinations. after the vile filth he spoke against hispanics, he’s turned with greater venom against muslims. what he’s been saying about muslims — having a special muslim database where all muslims in america have to register, monitoring muslims, making muslims carry special identification cards, random and warrantless searches of muslim homes, even internment camps — is unconstitutional and fascism 101. it is exactly what the nazis did to the jews in the 1930s right before they started rounding them up, cramming them onto cattle cars on trains, and shipping them off to the concentration camps to be worked, tortured, and/or starved to death, or murdered outright. i simply do not have your optimism regarding americans. there are just far too many uneducated, ignorant, xenophobic, bigoted, angry, jingoistic american rednecks. as alexander hamilton once said “the masses are asses.”

  • Bennett Willis

    If you assume the R’s are 50% of the voters and Mr. Trump is supported by 30% of those people, this would make Mr. Trump’s support among voters somewhere in the 15% vicinity. And I can believe that 15% of the folks in this country would support the stuff Mr. Trump says. Then there are some who are going to vote R no matter who is the candidate. It will be interesting to see how things go when people actually start voting in a few weeks.

  • David Douglas

    trump is now in the 40s—-lol

  • Juancho Cayman

    This is such a stupid article……

  • LiberalBalderdash

    Give us a break with the liberal mental masterbation. You lefties can complain all you want about Trump but you will still back a lying piece of trash like Hillary Clinton. The joke is on you, not the Trump supporters. Trumps supporters are sick of the status quo and are willing to do something about it. Now go vote your party, you filthy liberal. Hillary Clinton….still laughing that you guys believe her bullcrap.

  • Vincent Dupire

    I once read a poem that was written by a wallaby playing with an electronic typewriter. It was, until now, the dumbest thing I had ever read. Your piece here, Mr Altucher, has eclipsed even that.

  • Cowboy

    BTW, Obama was born in Kenya, Mombasa, Kenya to be exact. I have a copy of his original birth certificate, not the one made up by his Democratic Hawaiian Governor stooge, that lists a country, and hospital that did not exist in 1961!

  • Jay Franco

    James – looks like u r nothing but a stupid liberal journalist (so called). Tricks of u guys (liberal media) will not work this time. Whatever Donald is going to do – he will not be like our current Illegal loving President with Muslim heritage. If America can survive with the worst President of it’s history – it will survive with Donald too.

  • Fred Srock

    Only vote for people who promise to constantly poll all their
    constituents on every issue and pledge to do want the majority wishes.
    With Smartphones, it can be done on a daily, even hourly basis. Or do
    you want to let the government keep doing whatever the hell they want?
    Do you want Presidents and Congressmen, just 536 people, deciding the
    fate of 320 million people or do you want the power to overturn ANY
    legislation, by majority vote of The People, at anytime, instantly? We
    have the technology for the entire country – every individual – to be
    The Congress. Tell me why we need “representatives”.

  • C. William Russell

    Love you James, Trump has my support if he takes the Republican nomination. He has shown some character flaws, but I believe in his ability to guide and see through distractions. Willingness to speak from the heart does expose some junk, but not being that brave does not mean it is not their or will not show up.

  • Billy Bones

    It’s funny how the radical liberals fight for the rights of those who are radically “un-liberal”. One has a “kill others” wish, the other “kill me” wish. Match made in heaven lol.

    But you can’t risk my life to give yours. Consummate your marriage in Islamabad. Definitely voting for Trump. Who else is there with any common sense?

    And I am an immigrant who came here legally and took me forever to become a US citizen. I definitely don’t want illegals to become citizens fast – especially if they come with high crime rate

    • http://www.unitedwegovern.org/ Mike Daley

      Which they don’t, sir.

      • Billy Bones

        So you agree that we should deport the Muslims in US and stop more from coming in?

        • http://www.unitedwegovern.org/ Mike Daley

          Wait, what?

          You did pass a citizenship test, right?

          You do recall that the FIRST Amendment of the Bill of Rights keeps Congress from doing any such thing, right?

          “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…”

          I shortened it, as a convenience for those “freedom lovers” who maybe get distracted by more than a 20 word sound bite.

          • Billy Bones

            Better we change the constitution than they do it. Many secular countries have fallen to Islam

  • Morbo

    South Carolina. James, the Civil War was a States Rights over Federal Government issue.

  • MYReAgan

    Trump’s popularity is all about entertainment and hate. People go to his rallies only for comedy value, also there were millions of people in this country who were not ready for a black president.

    • desertpatriot

      @my:
      unfortunately, due to obozo’s poor performance this will be the first and last time america has a black president

      • MYReAgan

        The word patriot has being turned into a joke. Yokels from insignificant
        and isolated parts of the United States call themselves patriots. This is 2016
        not 1776, stop your delusional patriot nonsense. Talking heads use the word just
        to get attention from you dummies.

        • desertpatriot

          @my:
          this is not about me -please try and remain on topic

  • wynnosu

    Well, after seven years of lies and idiotic statements from Obama, at least Trump seems to know how to deal with the economy and our foreign responsibilities. Obama has said things like “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Period”, “ISIS is the JV squad,” “The ACA will save the average family $2,500 a year,” “The police in Cambridge acted stupidly,” and I am going to cut the national debt in half within my first term.” Now if THAT is your idea of someone who can be trusted and still be believed at this late date, then it is no wonder you don’t understand why so many Americans want the anti-Obama.

  • jack straw

    Claudia is probably not a liar, she is most likely just an ignorant moron like you. Trump DID NOT say the “real heroes came home,” that would be like saying those who bravely fought and fell in battle were not heroes! Trump said McCain was not a hero because he was captured and a prisoner! He said he likes people who weren’t caught. I’m not even saying I agree with that, but it’s a legitimate opinion and many cultures do consider surrender dishonorable and that soldiers should go down fighting, rather than surrender. Your article would have carried more weight, had you taken the 2 minutes to verify or rule out, Claudia’s claims. You are a lazy writer and not a researcher.

    “B) He said John McCain is not a war hero because the “real heroes came home”.
    “Or something like that. There is zero chance I’m going to read exactly what he said so Claudia could be totally lying (which is possible, being a criminal, murdering rapist).”

  • dharmabob

    I guess you were wrong on all counts

  • Michael A. Lehmann

    Mexico is not in South America.

  • danrue

    Your theory seems sound. Remember, Bill Clinton met with Trump early on and urged him to run. Your theory explains that meeting.

  • The Swamp Angel

    James, I think you might need to avoid the visits to Colorado. The legal merchandise there is obviously messing with your head. There’s a pretty good chance that our next president is going to have a horrendous New Yorker accent.

  • JimH1023

    I have to give it to you, from a hustlers perspective, what you say makes sense. I have heard a lot of side band noise about him being the “outsider” and is not playing politics as as usual. But the people saying that refuse to grasp that he IS politics as usual. A rich guy, making a bunch “I’m just like you” noise, appealing to a bunch wannabe rich guys (who will NEVER actually be rich) and moving them in any direction he wants like a herd of cattle. A surprising majority of his faithful were too stupid to realise that he classified them as “too stupid” when he made his, “I can shoot someone and they’ll still follow me”, statement last week. When I said to a friend, “You do realise that he thinks you all are just a bunch of dumb asses who will do whatever he says”, she retorts, “He’s going to kick all of the Mexicans and Muslims out and get our jobs back”. Thus, proving your point.

    • http://www.unitedwegovern.org/ Mike Daley

      Nice to see an intelligent reply.

      Seems like the snake oil and Nigerian 419 customers are the majority of respondents. Oh well. They probably have a lot of time on their hands and nothing better to do.

      LOL, this is coming from a libertarian; one who expects to be called “liberal” real soon, and in the tone of voice usually reserved for criminals. If “liberal” were the worst name I’d ever been called, I’d be a happy man. :D

      Used to be the folks on the left with the strongest, jerkiest knees. Nowadays, the right wing knee will go whipping into action over anything from firearms to science.

      Cheers and enjoy your Sunday, folks.

  • Rusty Grant Appling

    this is a liberal disinformation site

  • http://writingplaces.com/ DinkyDauBilly

    Dude. If he immediately filters out the 90% who don’t like him, how do you figure there are 12% left?

    So much for “No Child Left Behind,” methinks.

  • bufallobiff

    The real war hero is the guy that shot McCain out of the sky…….

  • Joseph Meyer

    Chelsea Clinton’s father-in-law, former House Representative Edward Mezvinsky, fell for Nigerian email scams to such an extent that he became a perpetrator of them in order to recoup his own losses. He was sentenced to 80 months in prison for fraud, is still on probation, and still owes $10 million dollars to his victims, who undoubtedly include his constituents.

    So a fictitious image intended to cast aspersions on a Republican presidential primary candidate is an actual fact regarding a political associate and relative by marriage of a Democratic President.

    Bazinga!

  • http://www.theduiguys.com/ Philip Gagnon

    Wow, James, I concur completely with your assessment of Trump and have felt that way since early on. Way easier (and more fun) to be an outsider, blasting those who have to do the work (and take the risk), than to bear the burden of real leadership. But, I am amazed at the comments your post has elicited… I’ve always felt you drew a better caliber of human.

  • GOP FREE

    donald ( THE “C” WORD ) Chump is a “C” WORD !

  • http://www.TriumphCharters.com Doug

    I see another of Trumps’ methods of solidifying his ‘base’ by effectively redefining ‘bigotry’ as ‘being smart’ which all the closet bigots absolutely love. This provides those bigots with a way to publicly / acceptably support their ignorant hate of people unlike themselves.

  • Crook Ofraud

    trump is right on everything all he has to do is put mike huckabee in charge of the fed and pass fairtax.org put joe arpaio in charge as homeland security to send all the illegals to jail or back home or pay the fine whatever the case. And Joe Arpaio is also the man who proved obum the kenyan fraud is a fraud and all his records are fake. Obum was not born in hawaii and he is not legit. He has a fake ss id from a dead guy in connecticut and should hang for treason. Plus Arpaio has found obum’s dna doesn’t even match his mom’s so what we know is all bullshioot

    you’re probably so stupid you want to vote for the commie sanders or the crook whore clinton dumbass loser

  • Stonewall

    For the record: I’ve never asked you about Greecw. I’ve never heard of you before. I am naturally suspicious when someone says, “Everyone asks me…” Very broad statement regardless of what follows, and is essentially a signal to suspend reading the rest, which is what I did.

  • revrobertwaters

    I think the only problem with your analysis is that I don’t think he’s reasoned this stuff all out. Trump is a narcissist- a type of person who, btw, should NEVER be trusted with political power. So he says what he thinks people want to hear because all that matters is him. He’s the prototypical politician, except he’s better at lying to people and getting them to believe them than most. His pattern of effectively conning people out of their property by the use of public domain is sleazy beyond belief, but he’s believed by exactly the kind of people he cons. His entire career and his vaunted experience in deal-making is based on lying to people. I really wonder whether there’s a person underneath all the phoniness. His skill at manipulating people- which is his great talent, whether in business or now in politics- has actually managed to get the very people who are most vulnerable to being manipulated on his side.

    30% or 35%, you’re right about one thing: nobody will ever support Trump except the gullible. That, and one other kind of person- and bearing in mind who Trump is, this should scare you to death.

    A political scientist did a study to see whether psychological traits and attitudes corresponded significantly to people’s choices of candidates. Only two did. There was a very mild correlation between exceptionally strong fear of terrorism and support for Ted Cruz. But the other one was the one that jumped out at him.

    There was a VERY strong correlation between support for Trump and authoritarianism. These people are looking, if not for a Fuhrer (there is no evidence that Trump means harm to anybody) but at least a Duce.

    Trump is the man on the white horse. He’s the guy who appeals to frightened people who are looking for a father figure to step in and save them from a world they cannot understand, feel helpless about, and find relief for the anxieties about by trusting The Leader. It’s no surprise that his supporters express outrage that anyone would DARE say bad things about the guy a plurality of the Republican party supports; It’s no surprise that Trump can get away with the very same trick Mussolini did: an appeal to nationalism, grandiose promises, an utter refusal to deal in specifics, the changing of the subject when he’s asked for them, and personal abuse when none of that works.

    Donald Trump is the American Mussolini. He appears to the same kind of people in America that Mussolini appealed to in Italy, and for the same reasons. Even his methods are similar, down to the roughing up of dissenters at his rallies.

    Donald Trump is the American Mussolini.

    Whether he succeeds depends on one thing: whether the moderate Republicans- Rubio, Bush, Kasich, and the people who supported Christie and Fiorina- can settle quickly enough on a single candidate. If you combine the centrist votes, such a candidate would have won in both Iowa and New Hampshire. The votes going to Rubio, Bush and Kasich in the most current South Carolina poll come to the same 35% Trump gets.

    The votes to stop him are there. The question is whether the smarts are-and perhaps the willingness of one or more of the center right candidates to forgo his personal ambitions for the greater good.

    A single sensible Republican rallying the center right voters- don’t even worry about Cruz- will beat Trump if the sane people in the party can only get behind such a candidate in time. My money’s on it happening shortly after Super Tuesday on March 1.

  • Justin Chevet

    I am glad to see someone read “Think like a Freak” by the same guys that brought you freakanomics!

  • Latrinacleanola

    Trump is a combination of Adolf Hitler and PeeWee Herman. A power-seeking hate monger and a buffoon. Meanwhile Sanders says the equivalent of “A cow WILL jump over the moon if I am president,” and his knee-jerk followers start buying telescopes and planning moon-watching parties for the next eight years. The fact that these two guys have garnered a high percentage of supporters in both parties is a discouraging statement about the mental capacity of the American electorate.

  • JohnnyVoxx

    Trump will win. Deal with it.

  • Martinus Martin

    This is so ridiculous. Of course Trump will say whatever the dumb masses want to hear. They cheer his every trick and deceit and lie on. The censored media has prepared a base of fools for him. Let them be the ones picked up off the streets and their homes to go fight the many enemies he creates. When was the last time 60,000 missiles hit Texas alone within an hour ? Those did not come from N Korea or Russia, or Iran, or China.You fools dont have the ability to think or see. Look at the image above. See how big America is in that image ? In real life Africa alone is way bigger than the US. You people are sticking your own head in the dirt. The dead bodies will not be Trumps children, they will be yours. Have you seen the naked pictures of his latest wife ? A first lady with naked pictures on the internet….The hell America..I guess we really are doomed…..

  • rrmin437@charter.net

    Next time you rant in the form of a news article… make sure your facts are not already spun by other media outlets….

  • Bill

    Remember that what a person actually says is blown out of proportions by the Liberal Media.

  • Mlucid

    Well, looks like Trumps even higher now. (Lots higher.)

  • Jeff Dwyer

    That was the dumbest article Iv read in a long time , I agree with the one statement that Trump is not serious but did you have a 4th grader proof read this disjointed journalistic mess??

  • Mark Wnorowski

    First time I’ve read something about Trump that makes sense, but I’ll take it one step further.

    I also think Trump will drop out, maybe in September or October, but for a different reason. His goal is to show how many stupid, uneducated and ignorant lemmings populate this country. I think that after every time he says something outrageous, he goes back to his campaign headquarters, laughs uncontrollably, and says something like, “Can you believe those assholes will still vote for me after I said ________ (insert unbelievable Trump statement here). I’m going to say something more incredible next time and see what happens. He’s making a fool out of anyone who would even consider voting for him. When he does drop out, a month or two before the general election, he will throw the republican party into turmoil, leaving them with no chance of winning as they argue about who gets Trump’s delegates.

    Trump will get what he wants, showing that he can control the country, even save it, without even having to be elected to office.

    Trump might even be Democratic agent sent in to destroy the republican party.

    Stranger things have happened.

    It’s fine if you think this is ridiculous. It’s ridiculous that this page even exists and people are on it debating a Trump presidency.

    Just remember, you heard it here first.

  • Jeff Allan

    haha… I hope you are eating your words now? Trump is leading all the poles, he WILL be the Republican Nominee, and I am ABSOLUTELY sure he will be our next President! It seems more like YOU are the “moron” JAMES!! This is just coming across my FB now, and I have to say that you–and your idiot wife–are what’s wrong with this ignorant society! He didn’t say that ALL Mexicans and South Americans are murders and rapists, he said they are sending us their murderers and rapists–true story, you SHOULD watch the news a LITTLE bit. And he didn’t say that the real heroes made it back, he said they DIDN’T make it back–paying tribute to those who have fallen overseas, in battle, or to those who didn’t make it out of that concentration camp that McCain was being held in. You say that 99% of what’s on the news is false, then how do you know that McCain is “one of the bravest” guys?? Do you know him?? “Does he call you at home?” Just because he got caught in a war, and survived, doesn’t make him that brave–it just makes him human. It’s all a matter of chance at that point. The strongest man could take a beating for not cooperating and trying to escape, get sick, and die (or just get shot and die). Just like the weakest man could get caught, keep his head down in the camp, not try to escape (even if that was what is he was supposed to be doing-SERE-look it up), never get beaten or shot, and survive. The fact is, you know NOTHING about war, being a POW, or McCain, very little about our “southern friends”, your political view points are flawed and you are–in fact–ridiculously ignorant and I don’t know how you are able to post anything on an official website to influence others?? Good day to you sir!

  • M.

    You should refresh this now that he’s done so well, explaining how you went wrong, and what you think it means. Also, I wish you could put up a larger version of the “Trump Map of the World”? It looks hilarious, and I say this as one of “the 12%… that jumped over amazing hurdles to like him”

  • Gary Hermenau

    Wow… Could this guy have been more wrong? LOL.

  • Darth Parallax

    glances at the comments………looks at bowl…….I’m going to need more popcorn for this

  • Ui Cheah

    Your story sucks major ass, not a single redeeming piece of info. Trump didn’t even say either of those damn things, not the way you portray them out of context. Why don’t you go watch the debate yourself you inbred ignoramus.

  • Brien James

    Looks like this asshole was way off #Trump2016

  • Wendy Wolf Bradford

    So funny, because I have been thinking something similar but different. I think he has been playing the media and at the Republican national convention he will call the press bluff…..saying thank you for so much attention. Then…
    say what he really thinks. He is using the media as a pawn and we all seem to be happy to be taken. I t keeps making me laugh at my friends who are so passionately upset….to the point of saying they won’t vote!

  • Art R

    If the Republicans want to defeat Trump, then Cruz and Rubio have to bury the hatchet. If they immediately, right now, state that Rubio is Cruz’s Vice-Presidential candidate, and campaign together, they can easily defeat Trump all by himself. Adding together their primary votes, they would have beat Trump in 10 of the 15 primaries/caucuses that have taken place so far including large states such as Texas and Virginia. This would mean that Trump should do a deal for Kasich to be his Vice-Presidential candidate. So far the results would have been the same but 2-3 states would have been closer and the results may have flipped. Kasich could be the voice of reflection to a reactionary President Trump.

  • Flitandersen_99

    “A) He said, “Mexicans and other South Americans [meaning: Claudia] are sending their murderers and rapists here to the US.”

    Okay, this is beginning to really annoy me. Not a Trump fan – Cruz guy all the way – but DAMMIT please stop this malarkey! Trump never said that ALL the crimmigrants are “rapists” or “murderers” – what he said was that Mexico and other countries “down there” are sending us their “rapists” & “murderers”. And why not? You can feed and house this scum at your expense or you can send them north to the gringos and let THEM deal with them. Why is this so difficult to understand? Or, have you never heard of MS-13? Wow…. SMARTEN UP, JIM! YOU PINHEAD!!!!

  • TDi guy

    Bill Cosby got in sexual assault allegations!!!!! Bad example and compare. After that I’m done reading this crap!!!

  • tristan the great

    Interesting article, but current trends may prove you wrong about his appeal. Your snide swipe at South Carolina aside, Trump also won New Hampshire and Vermont, with over 30% in each state.

    There are many reasons to dislike Trump, but I find your opinion intriguing. time will tell.

  • Vernon Germano

    Trying to figure out Trump is easy. Trump pisses off the self-important, vanity filled weak chinned micro-phallus tyrannical leftist, cry babies. The people that have bullied their way through every discussion for the last 20 years by using their weapon of perpetual personal offence to shut down all debate and thought. The nasty people that yell Nazi at anybody who disagrees with their stance on diet, the folks that scream hate monger at anybody questioning the morality of the tax system. Those who feel triggered and physically threatened whenever somebody questions the logic of big government spending. Trump is a middle finger from America aimed directly at those people. The US majority relishes the idea of those bloated gas bags choking on their own bitter bile over Trump. Trump is the best possible way anybody could have come up with to make those people suffer in anguish, he is designed to trigger and demotivate and the people who have put up with this tyrannical PC crap are laughing at the convulsions and angst of the oppressors. The people find it sublime to watch the left gag on it.

  • lockwood

    Your prediction was obviously way off. Why are you running ads to this, to show us that you can’t predict things?

  • Sgt House

    I’m pretty sure this author is butt hurt over all of the attention and support Trump has received. If any one is disconnected to the American pulse right now, it is this guy. I’m currently not a supporter of Trump, but if he makes it to the General, which is likely, I will vote from him over a washed-up socialist (who surprisingly is holding his own), or a slimey manipulative witch like Hillary.

  • Jason Johnson

    While your article is from 7/15, and some of your opinions have proven to be incorrect, it’s very true he’s not exceeding 30%, he’s running a huge scam on America, and in the process, found people like being scammed. Those 10-12% that come to his rally’s and buy his garbage all are in on the gag, they just don’t know it.

    What has Trump EVER actually discussed that resembles someone with a plan or even some basic ideas? None, a wall, mexicans muslims and not much else. He’s the least educated candidate in American history, he has no interest in actually helping anyone and is only focused on that 419 $ people that people will gladly pony up.

    Ultimately, he can’t win, America is the ultimate loser and it doesn’t seem he cares in the least. It would be perfect if Trump went with Palin as his VP to rub our collective noses in the crap he poops out of his back end.

    Pathetic excuse for a human. And if something terrible were to happen to him, it would be the best thing for humanity. And no one would shed a tear.

    Revise this blog post, and lets see what your newer comments reflect this new dynamic. One thing that’s clear, Trump IS evolving into the new Adolph Hitler, maybe the new George Wallace, but all he is now is a bully and a racist/bigot and all we can hope is his insane 30% aren’t enough to actually become president.

    We all lose if that happens. Even his most vocal supporters, but then, those people believe in hate, believe in bigotry, are angry SC removed the confederate flag and still believe Obama is not American. These are the people Trump has attracted, and like the cockroaches they are, they feel empowered to revive the dormant hate and evil they’d stashed in the closet. Never changed, just stopped talking about it, and now, with one insane candidate running for president, it’s obvious to all who watch that we’re moving back to the days of hate and bigotry. When black men are strung up on trees and muslims homes and businesses are firebombed. IT’s starting and it’ll get worse.

    Sad, and scary and we all have to hope Trump never gets close to the white house unless he’s escorted in as a visitor.

  • http://www.home.earthlink.net/~atdouble/~318thFighterGroupIndex.html Cammosutra

    Since the Constitution is quite clear that all the power of the purse and taxation lies with the Congress, I am always amused when ANY President gets blamed for National debt and deficits. Article 1 of the US Constitution is quite clear. The only powers a President has are to propose a budget, veto a budget he does not like, and sign the one that passes Congress into law. Congress hashes out the budget and it’s details, and how to pay for it. It is Congress that has abdicated their duties and given the US a $19 Trillion debt, and it is Congress that must ultimately fix it and bear the responsibility. And if a President sends a debt boosting budget to Congress, it is their job to fix it. If you don’t like a $19 Trillion national debt, let’s put the blame where it actually belongs. On Congress.

    As for Trump, he has a 50/50 chance of being President and no one, including Donald Trump has any idea what he will do if he gets into office. But he is not going away.

    • mlpnko123

      “It is Congress that has abdicated their duties…”

      Congress is not a person. It is a place.

      Congress is where our representative debate, argue and negotiate the budget. The president’s proposed budget is worth nothing. But his veto power is worth 17 votes in the Senate and 72 votes in the House. These are the difference between a majority and super-majority needed to over-ride a veto. No political party has had a super-majority in either the house or the senate in recent history. Therefore the President is a near equal party in the budget negotiation.

      Again though, Congress is a place not a person. The representatives in Congress each only have 1 vote and are tasked with representing only their district or State, not the whole country. The President has the equivalent of 89 votes.

  • TruckinMack

    Donald Trump aint pretty, but he is the best fighter the Republicans have had in a long time. Your choice is going to be a Feminist Narcissist who thinks the she is above the law, an arch Socialist who will sell out the US on the world stage, but he will buy you stuff with other peoples money, or Donald Trump.

    Vote for Trump and hope for the best, or vote for a Democrat and expect the worst.

  • Jim Tatman

    Trump is George Wallace reincarnated, with lots of Hitler DNA thrown in.

  • Tom Kaye

    I don’t know who you are, but after reading this at least 9 months later, it is clear you are an idiot. You got none of Trump’s quotes right, which I assume was you intent because you were trying to be funny (Don’t try. As has been observed, “Dying is easy; comedy is hard.”). And at this time Trump is poised to win the Republican nomination.

    Also, the past is not always prelude, especially in politics. Just because Perot was a successful businessman looney who ran for the Republican nomination, then went third party, doesn’t mean Trump had to do the exact same thing just because he is a successful businessman and you think he’s a loon. I suspect he is a lot smarter than you.

  • Marcus Wilbanks

    James, You are one very stupid and completely uninformed person. Trump didn’t say all Mexicans or immigrants coming here are rapists and murders. He said this about ILLEGALS, “some of those coming here are rapists, murderers and drug dealers” which is undeniably TRUE. Just like some of those coming across the border are prostitutes and whores. Your wife probably has first hand knowledge about the prostitutes and whores, why don’t you ask her about something she might understand instead of trying to explain something to her you clearly don’t understand and know absolutely nothing about? That something of course being Donald Trump. Also, as a retired Navy veteran I don’t consider John McCain a hero and neither do any of my Navy friends. He has done more to screw our active duty military and military retirees than any other man or woman in congress. He also lead the movement when he was a US Representative to STOP the search for MIA/POW’s in Vietnam which probably lead to the unnecessary and painful deaths of many, many service members still being held in Vietnam. Maybe the next time you decide to post something “cute” like this, which by the way seems mostly plagiarized from Democratic talking points and DNC propaganda, you do a little of your own homework and get your facts straight. Signed, Retired Navy veteran.

  • Ac Smith

    This guys an idiot. I sure hope no one is paying him very much for this BS.

  • Chairman Mao

    Don’t know how I ended up on this site. Greece borrowing money is screwing over Germany. It actually matters a lot that they are fiscally irresponsible and shows a huge flaw with the EU. Since they share currency Greece borrowing money irresponsibly causes that currency to lose value. Eventually the Euro would become the Zimbabwe dollar. I’m sure somebody who doesn’t understand economics enough to know this wouldn’t understand why massive inflation is terrible.

  • Rusty Wood

    so how much is the GOP establishment paying you?

  • Steven Johnson

    There is a reason why Trump has so much support… and if you can’t figure that out, welllllll …. maybe you should find something else to do besides this….. j/s

  • http://politicalamerican.org/ Political American

    WOW, well good thing you dont talk about politics since you dont know what you are talking about.
    I’m not a Trump guy but doesnt mean I cant point out that you are so wrong.